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Originally posted by avalanchethecat
[b]The idea that God or Christianity encourages or approves of slavery is shown to be false
No it hasn't. Nowhere in the bible is the ownership of slaves by christians or indeed anybody else castigated. It's fine to own people, and indeed to beat them and to have sex with them without their consent. You're not allowed to steal a loaf of bread to stop your children dying of starvation though. Very reasonable stuff.[/b]
No it hasn't. Nowhere in the bible is the ownership of slaves by christians or indeed anybody else castigated.
Why did the Apostle Paul remind Christians in First Timothy that kidnapping was against "healthy teaching":
" And know this, that the law is not enacted for a righteous man but for the lawless and unruly, for ... kidnappers ... and whatever other thing is opposed to healthy teaching, according to the gospel of the glory of the blessed God, with which I was entrusted." (See 1:9-10)
The content word "slavery" for most Americans automatically includes the action of kidnapping people. This Christian apostle describe kidnapping (and therefore forced enslavement) as lawless, unruly, and opposed to the healthy teaching of his Gospel.
Originally posted by sonshipYou are quite simply wrong, but clearly you're not going to believe me. I can only suggest you go and read up on it.
Sure I owned my kids until they were 18 years of age in this country.
I still feel some ownership of them even now as they are adults.
The word "owners" can apply to person of person relationships without meaning slavery.
As a basketball team made up of humans beings who are said to be owned.
It could be taken to a court of law.
Husband and wife ...[text shortened]... s.
The idiot appears to be you in your asinine over simplification of a definite of slavery.
Originally posted by sonshipKidnapping is usually involved as being a slave is generally not something a person would choose to do voluntarily, but it is not a part of the definition of slavery.No it hasn't. Nowhere in the bible is the ownership of slaves by christians or indeed anybody else castigated.
Why did the Apostle Paul remind Christians in [b]First Timothy that kidnapping was against "healthy teaching":
[quote] " And know this, that the law is not enacted for a righteous man but for the lawless and ...[text shortened]... efore forced enslavement) as lawless, unruly, and opposed to the healthy teaching of his Gospel.
I repeat, nowhere in the bible is slavery (the ownership of one human being by another) stated to be wrong. Kidnapping is a method by which slaves are obtained, it is not a part of slavery per se.
You will find that it is illegal to own a human being regardless of the method by which you come into that state.
26 Jan 17
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeDid you just blank this part out?
So, in your new covenant you're cool with slaves trembling with fear before their masters?
Good to know.
"The Roman empire practiced involuntary slavery, so rules were established for Christians who were subject to this slavery or held slaves prior to becoming Christians. The rules established for slaves were similar to those established for other Christians with regard to being subject to governing authorities. Slaves were told to be obedient to their master and serve them sincerely, as if serving the Lord Himself.Paul instructed slaves to serve with honor, so that Christianity would not be looked down upon."
26 Jan 17
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkIt simply shows how gullible you are when it comes to copy and paste.
Did you just blank this part out?
"The Roman empire practiced involuntary slavery, so rules were established for Christians who were subject to this slavery or held slaves prior to becoming Christians. The rules established for slaves were similar to those established for other Christians with regard to being subject to governing authorities. Slaves ...[text shortened]... Paul instructed slaves to serve with honor, so that Christianity would not be looked down upon."
Sorry to report, but such a tactic doesn't cover up your lack of knowledge in this area. Attempting to 'water down' slavery to make the NT digestible is really lame.
26 Jan 17
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeWell unless you can show me why the information I gave you is in error, I would have to assume the lack of knowledge exists on your part, no?
It simply shows how gullible you are when it comes to copy and paste.
Sorry to report, but such a tactic doesn't cover up your lack of knowledge in this area. Attempting to 'water down' slavery to make the NT digestible is really lame.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkThis is a forum, not a secondary school. It really isn't my job to educate you. (Though would direct you away from heavily bias websites when you go looking for an easy copy and paste).
Well unless you can show me why the information I gave you is in error, I would have to assume the lack of knowledge exists on your part, no?
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeOh yes I take it your views are entirely objective and lack bias? Would you prefer I find my information from a pro atheist website that says the Bible condones slavery?
This is a forum, not a secondary school. It really isn't my job to educate you. (Though would direct you away from heavily bias websites when you go looking for an easy copy and paste).
27 Jan 17
Originally posted by sonshipPS for me. total OD. Me and my kid love kickin arse on COD. You got a problem with that? Is there something in the bible about computer games? Gimme a breakSlavery is simply the ownership of one human being by another.
My kids were my slaves ?
The owners of the Washington Redskins are owners of slaves ?
You're a slave to your employer?
I'm telling you avalanchethecat, I think you are OD-ing on Playstation IV or X-Box One.