Originally posted by 7ate9
i don't mind if you discuss what you want here or there, it's just some of you lot get way over my level of understanding at times. i suggested about having diverting threads so those with opposing views could travel the roads they want further, but that would also be good for differing levels of intellect.
i guess my point is it doesn't matter what you be ...[text shortened]... ht one with many battles it was like hell with all the abuse.
i'm done..... fire away!
I'm not exactly sure because it's difficult to follow your style (word salad with stream of consciousness dressing -- that's not a criticism, btw), but I think that's the second time in as many posts that you have asserted that we all have a 'spirituality within', or an inner 'spiritual being' or some such. If you are trying to advance the idea that we all have some sort of locus of inner conscious identity that is immortal or permanent, I would disagree entirely. But that doesn't preclude spirituality.
Also, why do you associate atheism with a lack of spirituality? The definition of 'spiritual' from dictionary.com is
1. Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not tangible or material. See Synonyms at immaterial.
2. Of, concerned with, or affecting the soul.
3. Of, from, or relating to God; deific.
4. Of or belonging to a church or religion; sacred.
5. Relating to or having the nature of spirits or a spirit; supernatural.
Atheism would, presumably, preclude spirituality related to definitions 3 and 4 (and possibly 5 if the atheist is a naturalist). But those definitions are lacking, anyway. That leaves 1 and 2, which certainly seem compatible with atheism. I find the first part of 1 confusing (in exactly the same way I find 5 confusing), but 2 is the definition that I would default to the term 'spiritual', where "soul" is employed in the modern philosophical sense as being synonymous with mind. Indeed, I would view spirituality as a quality related to the (sober) production of effects in the mind; I guess in a pure sense, I would relate it to conscious practices
that are aimed at mindfulness, awareness, attentiveness, calmness, etc. That's why I view meditative practices -- both for intent and effect -- as basically the purest form of spirituality. And last I checked, there are a whole lot of atheists who meditate -- Buddhists, as one example. Many forms of expressive art I would also consider 'spiritual'.
Others may disagree with my characterization of 'spirituality', but I would submit that definitions 3,4,5 above do not convey a substantive representation in this context. Defs. 3 and 4 simply confuse spirituality with theism and religiosity. And I have to take a stance of ignorance on number 5 (and the first part of 1), since it walks and talks like gibberish to me.