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    Debate and general discussion of the supernatural, religion, and the life after.
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    03 Feb '07 00:57
    Originally posted by josephw
    Debate and general discussion of the supernatural, religion, and the life after.
    I think this debate has been beaten into the ground.

    However... I am an atheist. But, I do believe that there is something else after this life. I dont believe it is heaven or hell, and I dont know what it is. I just dont believe this is it.
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    03 Feb '07 01:30
    Originally posted by Wayne1324
    I think this debate has been beaten into the ground.

    However... I am an atheist. But, I do believe that there is something else after this life. I dont believe it is heaven or hell, and I dont know what it is. I just dont believe this is it.
    Fair enough.

    But will you concede that within this forum that I have the right to try to persuade you of what I say I know to be the truth?
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    03 Feb '07 02:001 edit
    Originally posted by Wayne1324
    I think this debate has been beaten into the ground.

    However... I am an atheist. But, I do believe that there is something else after this life. I dont believe it is heaven or hell, and I dont know what it is. I just dont believe this is it.
    sometimes religion sucks
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    03 Feb '07 02:13
    Originally posted by josephw
    Fair enough.

    But will you concede that within this forum that I have the right to try to persuade you of what I say I know to be the truth?
    You mean what you *think* you know is the truth.
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    03 Feb '07 21:56
    Originally posted by Wayne1324
    I think this debate has been beaten into the ground.

    However... I am an atheist. But, I do believe that there is something else after this life. I dont believe it is heaven or hell, and I dont know what it is. I just dont believe this is it.
    Is it that you believe there is somethig else, or that you hope there is?
    The two are very different.
    Belief would suggest something (however misguided) based on some sort of evidence or proof. Hope is just that.

    As an example, I hate the thought of the end of my existence and would indeed hope that there was something else. But I have no belief in such.
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    03 Feb '07 22:50
    Originally posted by josephw
    Fair enough.

    But will you concede that within this forum that I have the right to try to persuade you of what I say I know to be the truth?
    Why do you have the desire to try to persuade him? It seems to me with all the opportunities to explore religion and spirituality from a host of sources such as books, TV, churches, etc. that he has had ample opportunity to do that on his own. What makes your persuasion so special and unique?
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    03 Feb '07 23:36
    Originally posted by Wayne1324
    You mean what you [b]*think* you know is the truth.[/b]
    We know it's the truth.
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    04 Feb '07 00:13
    Originally posted by Wayne1324
    You mean what you [b]*think* you know is the truth.[/b]
    Well, Jesus said the TRUTH WILL set you free.
    So if he has truly been set free then he KNOWS it is the TRUTH.
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    04 Feb '07 06:39
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    Well, Jesus said the TRUTH WILL set you free.
    So if he has truly been set free then he KNOWS it is the TRUTH.
    There is no doubt that Jesus knew the truth. But there are over 35000 sects in Christianity, all of whom think they have the correct version of the TRUTH and the other 34999 sects are wrong.
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    04 Feb '07 13:36
    Originally posted by Acemaster
    We know it's the truth.
    Typical theist fashion... speaking in absolutes.

    Now let me tell you what I know.

    I know that you know nothing. You have faith. Blind faith. Nothing wrong with that, but faith and knowledge are different.
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    04 Feb '07 13:40
    Originally posted by amannion
    Is it that you believe there is somethig else, or that you hope there is?
    The two are very different.
    Belief would suggest something (however misguided) based on some sort of evidence or proof. Hope is just that.

    As an example, I hate the thought of the end of my existence and would indeed hope that there was something else. But I have no belief in such.
    It may be a little hope, but I really do believe it. However, over time I can see this belief fading.

    I have a short story, a personal experience that helps me to believe it. I'll send it in a PM if you want to hear it.

    Before any theist says anything... I know this is blind faith.
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    04 Feb '07 14:18
    Originally posted by Acemaster
    We know it's the truth.
    I think your wrong. So agree NOW.

    P-
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    04 Feb '07 15:55
    Originally posted by Acemaster
    We know it's the truth.
    There are a lot of people from other religions who are equally certain that they know the truth. So how can we determine who (if any) of all those people who allegedly know the truth, does indeed know the truth?
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    04 Feb '07 15:56
    Originally posted by Phlabibit
    I think your wrong. So agree NOW.

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    I think you're spelling is wrong. 😠
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