15 Sep 11
Originally posted by 667joeMmm. Pay them no heed, eh? Perhaps. But I still would think twice before putting two brand new theists on a table, or opening one indoors, or walking under one leaning against a wall.
That being said, theists are therefore superstitious! Pay them no heed.
15 Sep 11
Originally posted by 667joeOf course, there is some superstition in religion because many people
Religion is no more than codified superstition! That being said, theists are therefore superstitious! Pay them no heed.
have brought superstition in to make them feel that they have more
control. However, God is the one in control, so we should not
discard the truth in our attempt to avoid superstition. As the old
saying goes, "Don't throw out the baby with the bath water."
15 Sep 11
Originally posted by 667joeWhy should we pay no heed to people with superstitions? Superstitious people can be really stupid (we should help them), have negative effects on others (we should stop them), and in general have a negative impact on rational thinking and scientific education. Should we just turn a blind eye to the whole Homeopathy industry? Just leave all those superstitious people to die because they are taking placebos instead of real medicine?
Religion is no more than codified superstition! That being said, theists are therefore superstitious! Pay them no heed.
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15 Sep 11
Originally posted by RJHindsThe thing you are missing is that god IS the superstition (or one of) in your religion.
Of course, there is some superstition in religion because many people
have brought superstition in to make them feel that they have more
control. However, God is the one in control, so we should not
discard the truth in our attempt to avoid superstition. As the old
saying goes, "Don't throw out the baby with the bath water."
There is no baby in your bathwater.
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15 Sep 11
Originally posted by karoly aczelfather rapes 12 yr old daughter is pretty taboo don't you think.
Lets get specific. You mean something like necrophilia or what?
That would count as a rational taboo.
Necrophilia is probably also an activity that has a rational taboo,
You might be able to come up with some convoluted edge case where it might be
allowable, maybe, but the vast majority of the time it is definitely a rational taboo.
16 Sep 11
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Originally posted by googlefudge(given your examples) I think we need to make it clear that there is that which is taboo and that which is against the law. And I'm not talking about the grey areas yet(necrophilia), I just threw that out as a guage in how you would react and if that ,(or something in a similar vein),was one of the avenues of discussuion you wished to pursue.
father rapes 12 yr old daughter is pretty taboo don't you think.
That would count as a rational taboo.
Necrophilia is probably also an activity that has a rational taboo,
You might be able to come up with some convoluted edge case where it might be
allowable, maybe, but the vast majority of the time it is definitely a rational taboo.
I myself would like to adress some everday taboos like "touching wood",not accosiating with alcohol drinkers,etc.
16 Sep 11
Originally posted by 667joeI suggest that wikipedia definitions of the words Religion and Superstition,may be taken as acceptable and as starting point for all the posters on this topic,if we are to debate meaningfully.
Religion is no more than codified superstition! That being said, theists are therefore superstitious! Pay them no heed.
16 Sep 11
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Originally posted by rvsakhadeoyes indeed, the op seems to be somewhat confused as if avoiding black cats which
I suggest that wikipedia definitions of the words Religion and Superstition,may be taken as acceptable and as starting point for all the posters on this topic,if we are to debate meaningfully.
cross ones path, or walking under a ladder is synonymous with the study and
application of religious principles. Sometimes you just gotta dumb it down for these
atheists 😛
16 Sep 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI am against sweeping generalisations which vitiate the atmosphere of the debate. I am for clarity,so that both sides can learn from the debate. Hence my suggestion.
yes indeed, the op seems to be somewhat confused as if avoiding black cats which
cross ones path, or walking under a ladder is synonymous with the study and
application of religious principles. Sometimes you just gotta dumb it down for these
atheists 😛
16 Sep 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI am giving here the wiki definitions. Religion is a collection of cultural systems,belief systems,and worldviews that establishes symbols which relate humanity to spirituality and moral values. Superstition is the incorrect establishment of cause and effect or a false conception of causation.
yes indeed, the op seems to be somewhat confused as if avoiding black cats which
cross ones path, or walking under a ladder is synonymous with the study and
application of religious principles. Sometimes you just gotta dumb it down for these
atheists 😛