Originally posted by Marinkatomb
Ok, my thoughts are brought to the end of your post, but i will try to address it all...
"When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth" (John 16:13)
If this is the case, then why didn't Christianity make mention of evolution? If feeling God in your heart will lead you to all truth, why has the Church persistently put ' Well i don't take it as given at all actually, quite the opposite in fact.
The church has consistently preached man not to question Gods creation. Whenever he does he discovers something new that the church never advocated, at which point the church changes it's stance, putting this new found discovery at the feet of God.
Again, 'the church' is getting in the way of things. Who gives a hoot what the church has to say? Is the church inerrant? No. Approach Genesis carefully and you will notice there are two creation stories; one is spiritual, and one is not.
In Genesis 1 is the record of creation which is quite accurate in terms of evolution; first there were plants, then the seas brought forth living things, followed by living creatures on dry land, and it wasn't until the 'sixth day' that God created man. Obviously there was a progression involved (an evolution?). The 'days' delineate the order of God's creation plan, but the actual amount of time it took and the processes involved aren't mentioned, leaving open the possibility that God indeed took 15 billion years to construct the universe and evolve the planet sufficiently for his purposes.
Move on to Genesis 2 and we have a separate account of God's creation; a spiritual one. Before the earth was completely formed, God breathed his spirit into man, making him into a living being, placing him in the Garden of Eden (Garden of Delight), a spiritual place. This is consistent (the two creation stories) with the precept that physical reality mirrors spiritual reality, and that the Spirit is preeminent before all things. God's creation, the physical world we are familiar with, is shaped by the events in the spirit realm (the fall, incarnation, etc.).
These two accounts of creation seem to be at odds, but what is really being conveyed is the manifold aspect of God's creation, which is both physical and spiritual. Evolution, in my mind, is therefore not inconsistent with creationism.
Are you reading some text, written by Jesus, that i am somehow unaware of? Please let me know which bible you are talking about, my experiences are with the King James Bible which is agreed (after much bloodshed i understand) to be the accepted text in the UK.
I love the KJV of the bible, but it is not a perfect translation. There are many other great translations which have taken advantage of the discovery of older texts and the comparison of documents, not to mention a more modern approach to English, giving clearer understanding of the original Hebrew and Greek. The best I'm aware of is the New Revised Standard Version, but I also use the New Living Translation and the Amplifed Bible with that. It's also helpful at times to go directly to the Greek/Hebrew originals and engage in various word studies as well.
Christ says 'the words [b]i have spoken to you are spirit and life,' so therefore
john is writing 'under the power of the Holy Spirit'...? How does that follow?[/b]
Christ's words are right there for anyone to read, whether or not they were recorded by John or someone else. And they are Christ's words, and still therefore "spirit and life". His spirit is not impeded nor lost through the process of accounting or translation. The essential meaning survives quite well! After all, how can you misinterpret, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6). That statement is what it is. (Notice, he did not say, "no one comes to the Father except through the Catholic church, then through me." )
Using scripture as your defense of religion is like basically speaking another language to the one used in every day acquaintance. 'You will taken as given everything the Book says' Well i don't take it as given at all actually, quite the opposite in fact.
Be that as it may, these are our limitations when seeking the wisdom of God and his Truth. Truth is not a matter of intellectual but of
intuitive knowledge. Intuition is a function of the human spirit, being that in us which 'knows' rather than that which arrives at knowledge through a process of understanding, which is the realm of the intellect. It is through the intuition that the Spirit reveals to us the deeper things of God, otherwise our understanding will always be dry and unyielding.
"The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Corinthians 2:14).
This is not a clever 'get out of jail free card', it is entirely consistent with the way God operates; he reveals himself to those who sincerely and persisitently seek him. "He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him" (Hebrews 11:6).