The 10 Commandments, applying Paul's Grace Amendment.

This is what the 10 amount to, seen as modified by Grace.

The 10 suggestions which may get you into heaven.

You should have no other gods before me.
You may not make for yourself a carved image.
You should not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
You may remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
You should honor your father and mother.
You may not kill.
You should not commit adultery.
You may not steal.
You should not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You may not covet your neighbor's house. You may not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant, or his maidservant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

@pettytalk said
This is what the 10 amount to, seen as modified by Grace.

The 10 suggestions which may get you into heaven.

You should have no other gods before me.
You may not make for yourself a carved image.
You should not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
You may remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
You should honor your father and mother. ...[text shortened]... manservant, or his maidservant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

Sorry, I don't see the modifications.

Are you saying these apply to Gentiles? Are you saying that Christian salvation is tied to these?

@suzianne said
Sorry, I don't see the modifications.

Are you saying these apply to Gentiles? Are you saying that Christian salvation is tied to these?

As usual PertyTalk doesn’t seem to be really saying anything much at all.

@suzianne said
Sorry, I don't see the modifications.

Are you saying these apply to Gentiles? Are you saying that Christian salvation is tied to these?

I'm under the weather, but for you, a dear club member, I will try to give sight, since you don't see.

Are you familiar with the unchanging original 10? When a Commander gives orders to his subordinates, they are not optional, because they are commands to be carried out. "Should" and "may" are only suggestions. "Shall" and "will" are mandatory.

Paul took liberty to unilaterally modify the contract for salvation between God and man. He taught that salvation comes through grace, not through works or adherence to the Ten Commandments.

If salvation means eternal life, why would Jesus tell someone to follow the commandments, to be saved?

@pettytalk said
If salvation means eternal life, why would Jesus tell someone to follow the commandments, to be saved?

I don’t think Jesus did tell people to follow the Ten Commandments in order to be saved.

@pettytalk said
I'm under the weather, but for you, a dear club member, I will try to give sight, since you don't see.

Are you familiar with the unchanging original 10? When a Commander gives orders to his subordinates, they are not optional, because they are commands to be carried out. "Should" and "may" are only suggestions. "Shall" and "will" are mandatory.

Paul took liberty to u ...[text shortened]... salvation means eternal life, why would Jesus tell someone to follow the commandments, to be saved?

Salvation requires faith AND works.

Paul altered Jesus' message.

@divegeester said
I don’t think Jesus did tell people to follow the Ten Commandments in order to be saved.

'The' commandments. The two 'greatest' commandments. Straight from Jesus' mouth. Certainly not the Mosaic commandments.

But let's keep in mind that one cannot follow the two 'greatest' commandments without following those ten commandments. It's about motivation.

@pettytalk said
I'm under the weather, but for you, a dear club member, I will try to give sight, since you don't see.

Are you familiar with the unchanging original 10? When a Commander gives orders to his subordinates, they are not optional, because they are commands to be carried out. "Should" and "may" are only suggestions. "Shall" and "will" are mandatory.

Paul took liberty to u ...[text shortened]... salvation means eternal life, why would Jesus tell someone to follow the commandments, to be saved?

One more thing.

I'm not sure that "commandments" are "suggestions". "Should" and "may" do not prevent complications, they invite them.

@suzianne said
'The' commandments. The two 'greatest' commandments. Straight from Jesus' mouth. Certainly not the Mosaic commandments.

But let's keep in mind that one cannot follow the two 'greatest' commandments without following those ten commandments. It's about motivation.

That’s as well as may be; my point was contending that Jesus never instructed people to follow the 10 commandments in order to be saved as PettyTalk asserted.

@divegeester said
That’s as well as may be; my point was contending that Jesus never instructed people to follow the 10 commandments in order to be saved as PettyTalk asserted.

Don't you think even for a minute that Jesus knew that loving God with all your heart, mind and soul means that you will follow His commandments?

@suzianne said
Don't you think even for a minute that Jesus knew that loving God with all your heart, mind and soul means that you will follow His commandments?

I’m sure he did.

Nevertheless my point was contending that Jesus never instructed people to follow the 10 commandments in order to be saved as PettyTalk asserted.

@divegeester said
I’m sure he did.

Nevertheless my point was contending that Jesus never instructed people to follow the 10 commandments in order to be saved as PettyTalk asserted.

Regurgitating previous posts doesn't advance the conversation, as badly as you want your 'contribution' to be acknowleged.

@divegeester said
I’m sure he did.

Nevertheless my point was contending that Jesus never instructed people to follow the 10 commandments in order to be saved as PettyTalk asserted.

MY point is that he did, in the way he worded his later, greater, commandments.

@suzianne said
Regurgitating previous posts doesn't advance the conversation, as badly as you want your 'contribution' to be acknowleged.

I stated a fact which demonstrated that PettyTalk’s assertion was incorrect.

@suzianne said
MY point is that he did, in the way he worded his later, greater, commandments.

No, he didn’t. It’s not in the text.