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Originally posted by ZahlanziAs you should. I do too.
every time an american uses the term "socialist" as an insult, i laugh.
Originally posted by sumydidI dunno, there was this guy, hmmm, what what his name again? Oh, yeah, Jesus...
I recently received my monthly Church publication. The article I read was written Dr. RC Sproul - a brilliant mind indeed. Normally RC steers clear of controversy, but this time, I guess considering the state of affairs here in the USA, he couldn't resist weighing in on a hot topic.
To start off, he established the 8th Commandment. This Commandment is ... what he's saying is obvious.
Christians: Is he wrong? And if so, why?
Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and render unto God the things that are God's.
Originally posted by sumydidThe system is wasteful of our tax dollars. That is a sin and is an 8th Commandment breach IMO.
I recently received my monthly Church publication. The article I read was written Dr. RC Sproul - a brilliant mind indeed. Normally RC steers clear of controversy, but this time, I guess considering the state of affairs here in the USA, he couldn't resist weighing in on a hot topic.
To start off, he established the 8th Commandment. This Commandment is ...[text shortened]... ... what he's saying is obvious.
Christians: Is he wrong? And if so, why?
Originally posted by sumydid"The issue is, "Is voting a higher tax for someone else that you don't vote for yourself acceptable?"
Atheists/Skeptics are welcome to weigh in on this matter, but, I would prefer you keep your arguments in favor or not in favor, restricted to the legal precedent as far as the Commandment is concerned. Forget that you don't like Christian Commandments for a second, and just look at this as a legal brief. Legal briefs usually follow what attorneys call IRAC ...[text shortened]... e argument is framed correctly, but I personally and morally don't agree with it."
Originally posted by Proper Knob[/b]Is sunny rebelling? He is merely questioning the powers that be, not defying them. Unless sunny is not paying his taxes, like men Obama appointed to office like Geithner, he has not broken any laws of any kind, including Bilblical ones.
How about this earlier part of Romans 13?
Romans 13 1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, [b]whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
Originally posted by whodeyAs long as humans are in charge of this world, nothing is going to ever be fair. People do not receive fair pay for their work and they will not be taxed fair either. Those are some of the facts of life. Whinnning about it is not going to change it.
Is sunny rebelling? He is merely questioning the powers that be, not defying them. Unless sunny is not paying his taxes, like men Obama appointed to office like Geithner, he has not broken any laws of any kind, including Bilblical ones.
I believe that the greatest sin being evoked is to covet. Citizens are told that the rich need to pay "their fair shar ...[text shortened]... e and favors the rich and always will, despite what rherotic you may hear to the contrary.
Originally posted by FMFA flat tax RATE would be fair in my mind -- a lot of people are pushing for it. 2 or 3 major presidential candidates in recent years, had a flat tax rate as part of their platform.
I notice you left the word "rate" out of your encapsulation of 'the isue' and 'the rule'. Would you say a completely flat tax - i.e. everyone pays the same amount of money - like a set fee - is the most "moral" kind of tax?
Originally posted by SuzianneHe's not obviously wrong. He made quite a compelling case. He's using the bible to complain about paying his fair share? You clearly have no idea what RC is all about.
Everyone's got an angle.
His is using the Bible to complain about paying his fair share of taxes.
Yes, he's wrong. Obviously.
Edit: Your deeper argument would be hysterically funny if it weren't so obviously a ploy. All these things you ascribe to "socialists" have been part and parcel of the conservatives in this country since Reagan.
Originally posted by sumydidAs a matter of interest, can you list the names of posters who gave you "generic replies in defense of Obama" on this thread?
Problem is, I got exactly what I hoped not to get, but nevertheless expected. I didn't get anyone's honest, objective opinion on it. Instead I got generic replies in defense of Obama, and "RC is obviously wrong," with nothing to back it up.
Originally posted by johnnylongwoodyWhat grampy said isn't crap. It's fact. And it's got nothing to do Mitt Romney and "X".
That's crap....
You might as well say Mitt Romney loved X
because X gave more money to his campaign
than anyone else.
So in your terms your GOD would love you more
than he might love me because you gave more
money to his child abusing money grabbing priests
than I did.
Originally posted by SwissGambitThank you! Someone is submitting an opinion and using a legal argument.
I dunno, there was this guy, hmmm, what what his name again? Oh, yeah, Jesus...
who saidRender unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and render unto God the things that are God's.
Originally posted by JS357The last tidbit where you suggest my argument "doesn't apply to the real world" was an unnecessary stab, and ruined what was otherwise a nice try at countering the argument.
"The issue is, "Is voting a higher tax for someone else that you don't vote for yourself acceptable?"
No it's not. But under the US progressive tax system, the higher tax rate that is applied to higher income, applies to everyone. Anyone whose income is higher, pays the higher tax rate on that higher income, whether it is you or me or the other guy (neglect ...[text shortened]... rage taxpayer. You need to restate your question if you want it to apply to the real world.
Originally posted by Proper Knob[/b]I missed this, PK and thanks for participating objectively. Seriously, thank you.
How about this earlier part of Romans 13?
Romans 13 1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, [b]whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.