Originally posted by googlefudgeCarl Sagan wrote Contact
Carl Sagan wrote Contact, wich by the way is an excellent book/film (got to love Jodi Foster). That aside why would his writeing contact change the validity of that quote one way or another?
You are absolutely right: I don't know what I ate that caused the brain fart, but excuse me, nonetheless. I absolutely loved the movie (Jodie Foster makes everything better, IMO), and am aghast that I didn't give credit where due.
Sagan, before he left this planet of sod, pulled off the greatest slight of hand in recent memory. He created a story that (unbeknownst to him and other evolutionists) unwittingly told the truth about the "science" he (and Asimov, among others) had been proselytizing for years. Namely, the emperor hasn't any clothes. IMO, one of the most important films of the entire industry.
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHsorry, have you actually read Contact? the emperor is fully clothed and suggest you would be ill advised to put words saying anything other than that into Carl Sagans mouth. right or wrong you are entitled to that opinion but it was not one shared by Mr Sagan. I would be interested to know in what way you think that 'the emperor has no clothes' as you put it?
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Originally posted by googlefudgeI put no words into Sagan's mouth that didn't first come from the same. Are you truly of the impression that Sagan's message in Contact was anything but a treatise on the opposing faiths?
sorry, have you actually read Contact? the emperor is fully clothed and suggest you would be ill advised to put words saying anything other than that into Carl Sagans mouth. right or wrong you are entitled to that opinion but it was not one shared by Mr Sagan. I would be interested to know in what way you think that 'the emperor has no clothes' as you put it?
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHfrom the perspective of this conversation yes. the film got mauled by hollywood, still a good film but it majerly changes the emphasis from the book, which I would highly recomend reading. I would agree that the film does do a whole religion and science should walk hand in hand thing but that wasn't in the book. In the book it ends with evidence.
No, just watched the movie, based on Sagan's book. Was the movie an unfair representation of the book?
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHWhich is why your side has been sooooooo effective in getting it removed from science?
He created a story that (unbeknownst to him and other evolutionists) unwittingly told the truth about the "science" he (and Asimov, among others) had been proselytizing for years. Namely, the emperor hasn't any clothes. IMO, one of the most important films of the entire industry.
Hahaha Freaky. You're just making me laugh with your ridiculous assertions now. You want to make statements like "evolution isn't true" then you are going to have to explain away EVERY piece of evidence to the contrary. Many have tried, all have failed.
Originally posted by googlefudgeApparently Sagan didn't consider it a "mauling," at least not one to which he objected. Otherwise, why allow his name in the credits as a source for the screenplay? Either Sagan felt completely comfortable with the film adaptation of his book, or he was more of a hypocrite than the religious characatures he depicted within the film.
from the perspective of this conversation yes. the film got mauled by hollywood, still a good film but it majerly changes the emphasis from the book, which I would highly recomend reading. I would agree that the film does do a whole religion and science should walk hand in hand thing but that wasn't in the book. In the book it ends with evidence.
The fact remains, the movie relayed the 'truth' of evolution as a concept of faith, not evidence. Disingenuously, however, he attempted to put evolution and Christianity on the same footing, evidence-wise. Given the tenuous position currently held by evolutionary 'science,' this was clearly a case of stacking the deck.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHHow could he have considered it at all, him being 3 years dead when the movie came out?
Apparently Sagan didn't consider it a "mauling," at least not one to which he objected. Otherwise, why allow his name in the credits as a source for the screenplay? Either Sagan felt completely comfortable with the film adaptation of his book, or he was more of a hypocrite than the religious characatures he depicted within the film.
The fact remains, ...[text shortened]... n currently held by evolutionary 'science,' this was clearly a case of stacking the deck.
Originally posted by frogstompZemeckis recalls, "I had a great relationship with Carl through the whole project."
How could he have considered it at all, him being 3 years dead when the movie came out?
Zemeckis worked with Sagan on striking the balance between human interest and science.
However, although Sagan did pass away prior to the film's release in 1997 (November 9, 1934 – December 20, 1996, accoring to the Wik), therefore within months of the release (not the three years you suggest), he finished the project and had no objections to the completed product. Neither did his co-contributor, Ann Duryan, raise any objection to the final product which was dedicated in the credits, "For Carl."
Funny how you're always reaching erroneous conclusions based on half-baked information, don't you think?
Originally posted by howardgeeDon't go wetting your pants so fast, howie. The only thing I got wrong on this one was Sagan was merely a "contributor" to the story and a co-producer; he received no credit for the screenplay, as I erroneously stated in an earlier post.
FreakingIdiot strikes again!!!!!!