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Originally posted by skywalker redI believe that Jung wrote much about the term. He felt that it was made up of images, archetypes, etc that transcended time and resided in all cultures and individuals. It represented a deeper level of the unconscious. For example if I have a dream about my mother, it may represent my mother and the immediate memories and feelings I have about her. But she may represent a quality that all mothers may share in common.
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Originally posted by NyxieAbsolutely. Let me give a couple of examples where the symbols and the symbolism are often over looked on the most basic level. I will pose it as a question as see what kind of response we get.
Could this be the basis for similiarities in religions spanning the globe? The reason some architecture has similiarities?
Originally posted by kirksey957I'm not sure but I know the sign of Odin and the star of david are very similiar.
Absolutely. Let me give a couple of examples where the symbols and the symbolism are often over looked on the most basic level. I will pose it as a question as see what kind of response we get.
What similarities do the cross and the star of David have in common?
Originally posted by NyxieThe cross is made up of two opposites, a verticle and a horizontal line. The Star of David is represented by two opposites as well. Two inverted triangles. I think Jung would argue that these symbols are no accident as they communicate that in order for one to be "whole", the person must address the "opposites" of his soul.
I'm not sure but I know the sign of Odin and the star of david are very similiar.
Originally posted by kirksey957Here's a very basic picture showing the three connected triangles that represent Odin. The Valknut is the symbol of the Northeren God Odin, It is also called the 'Knot of the Fallen'.
The cross is made up of two opposites, a verticle and a horizontal line. The Star of David is represented by two opposites as well. Two inverted triangles. I think Jung would argue that these symbols are no accident as they communicate ...[text shortened]... your avatars have always been full of archetypes of strong women.
Originally posted by NyxieI'm of the opinion that the unconscious is a system of energy levels to which archetypes enable access. I also think that religions are energy systems (most often hierarchical). For a religion to be effective, it would have to correspond to the archetypal blueprint. Hence the similarities among quality religions.
Could this be the basis for similiarities in religions spanning the globe? The reason some architecture has similiarities?
Originally posted by PalynkaI've edited my post: missing preposition.
Can you please explain what you mean by this sentence?
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI'm of the opinion that the similarities that religions share are related to cultural and scientific similiarities among the countries who host this religion. The change from polytheism to monotheism as a form of religion might be connected to the fact that more things are now explainable by science and cultures have assimilated the fact that a single god is more feasible than a plethora of deities. Note than I can't remember any examples of cultures where a predominat monotheistic religion was substituted by a polytheistic one.
I've edited my post: missing preposition.
"I'm of the opinion that the unconscious is a system of energy levels to to which archetypes enable access." If you want to experience this energy at a conscious level, that is.
Originally posted by PalynkaAssuming that archetypes exist (I don't know that Jung ever provided empirical proof!),
I'm of the opinion that the similarities that religions share are related to cultural and scientific similiarities among the countries who host this religion. The change from polytheism to monotheism as a form of religion might be connected to the fact that more things are now explainable by science and cultures have assimilated the fact that a single god i ...[text shortened]... re likely to be of biological origin than archetypes defined as I think you are defining them.
Originally posted by kirksey957I absolutely agree with what you're saying here. For example, in the dream about the "mother", taken symbolically, the mother could mean the Archtype of the Mother symbolizing the maternal feminine creative matrix. another example would be the image of the vessel. the vessel is symbolic of the feminine as well. the vessel could symbolize the maternal feminine aspect.
I believe that Jung wrote much about the term. He felt that it was made up of images, archetypes, etc that transcended time and resided in all cultures and individuals. It represented a deeper level of the unconscious. For example if I have a dream about my mother, it may represent my mother and the immediate memories and feelings I have about her. But she may represent a quality that all mothers may share in common.
Originally posted by kirksey957this is really interesting point because in Jung's thinking, the union of opposites played a huge part in the concept of wholeness. The union of male and female, dark and light , so your analogy of the cross was right on . you could look at the cross as a symbol of God with the horizontal line (aspect) representing the earthly physical realm and humanity and then consider the vertical line the spirtual aspect or God himself and then you have the union of these two worlds,aspects, and you get the cross, the symbol of the Christian Church and of salvation.
Absolutely. Let me give a couple of examples where the symbols and the symbolism are often over looked on the most basic level. I will pose it as a question as see what kind of response we get.
What similarities do the cross and the star of David have in common?
Originally posted by kirksey957Another similarity that they share (along with the pentagram, the swastika, etc, etc ) is dating back to Babylonian times. Not being specific to any denomination but illustrating a particular spiritual truth, they are truly archetypal symbols.
What similarities do the cross and the star of David have in common?