10 Jul 05
In my humble athiest opinion: the devil is a figment of the imagination conjured as an excuse by weak minded people and those who don't want to understand.
To turn down the existance of gods or devils is not burying one's head in the sand.. it is facing reality.
The classic over-used "The devil made me do it" excuse is just rot.
Everyone should take ownership of good and evil yourself. Do only good. Actively reject evil.
10 Jul 05
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Originally posted by Tirau DanI agree with you, the attitude of people saying that it is the devils fault, its not right that they blame him. I do believe the devil to be real, but then again i believe the bible so i would naturally believe what it says.
In my humble athiest opinion: the devil is a figment of the imagination conjured as an excuse by weak minded people and those who don't want to understand.
To turn down the existance of gods or devils is not burying one's head in the ...[text shortened]... ip of good and evil yourself. Do only good. Actively reject evil.
as your an atheist the bible holds no ground with you, which is fair enough. can i ask you a question tho. Do you believe in demons?
10 Jul 05
Originally posted by Tirau DanI wonder if that means Miss Jones doesn't exist.
In my humble athiest opinion: the devil is a figment of the imagination conjured as an excuse by weak minded people and those who don't want to understand.
To turn down the existance of gods or devils is not burying one's head in the sand.. it is facing reality.
The classic over-used "The devil made me do it" excuse is just rot.
Everyone should take ownership of good and evil yourself. Do only good. Actively reject evil.
11 Jul 05
Originally posted by Tirau DanI find it more helpful to say that evil exists. The OT passage in the church I attend was Genesis 3 this morning. What struck me was that perhaps the original sin was not so much taking the fruit from the tree of knowledge as it was the propensity of both Adam and Eve to blame (The devil made me do it) and all the womderful expressions of it. Adam even has a way of implicating God: "This woman that you provided for me..."
In my humble athiest opinion: the devil is a figment of the imagination conjured as an excuse by weak minded people and those who don't want to understand.
To turn down the existance of gods or devils is not burying one's head in the sand.. it is facing reality.
The classic over-used "The devil made me do it" excuse is just rot.
Everyone should take ownership of good and evil yourself. Do only good. Actively reject evil.
Whether or not there is some guy running around iwth horns and a pointy tail I know not, but I do know that we live in a culture of blame. Not often you hear someone say "yea, I screwed up."
11 Jul 05
Originally posted by kirksey957Our culture not only does not have many people saying "It is my fault
I find it more helpful to say that evil exists. The OT passage in the church I attend was Genesis 3 this morning. What struck me was that perhaps the original sin was not so much taking the fruit from the tree of knowledge as it was the propensity of both Adam and Eve to blame (The devil made me do it) and all the womderful expressions of it. Adam ev ...[text shortened]... o know that we live in a culture of blame. Not often you hear someone say "yea, I screwed up."
I screwed up" it goes after those that do with law suits more times
than not it seems.
Kelly
11 Jul 05
Originally posted by Tirau DanOf course you dont believe in the Devil, I dont know of an atheist that does. of course I do I also believe in Demons, and have seen personaly somone who was demon processed. before I always thought that there was no demons. But after that one advent there is no doubt in my mind that there are demons.
In my humble athiest opinion: the devil is a figment of the imagination conjured as an excuse by weak minded people and those who don't want to understand.
To turn down the existance of gods or devils is not burying one's head in the sand.. it is facing reality.
The classic over-used "The devil made me do it" excuse is just rot.
Everyone should take ownership of good and evil yourself. Do only good. Actively reject evil.
I agree to say that the devil made you do it is an excuse. but I also think that there are some people who dont have control over themselves, In which I would call demon processed
11 Jul 05
Originally posted by flyUnityThere are spiritual realities if God and the devil are real that
Of course you dont believe in the Devil, I dont know of an atheist that does. of course I do I also believe in Demons, and have seen personaly somone who was demon processed. before I always thought that there was no demons. But after that one advent there is no doubt in my mind that there are demons.
I agree to say that the devil made you do it is an ...[text shortened]... ere are some people who dont have control over themselves, In which I would call demon processed
would not be provable yet give a reason for some actions
and events in single lives, and for those of nations too.
Temptation is one of the devils major goals with the human
race clearly something the devil would still be up too. The
devil made me do it isn’t something you can really blame
on the devil, if all he did was tempt us. The statement,
“The devil made me do it” could only be laid at the devil’s
feet if one was possessed by demon/s at least that is how I
understand it according the stories within scripture.
Those that dabble in the paranormal run the risk of playing
around with spiritual beings that do not have their best
interest at heart. Those looking for the ghost/spirits of loved
ones run the risk of playing with demons masquerading as
those that they wanted to talk to. I believe most that claim
to actually talk to the dead are frauds, yet on occasion you
hear someone say, “How could anyone know that, only X
knew that and we were alone.” Spiritual being looking in
on us would know everything any of our departed friends
and loved ones would know too. Some of newer shows on
TV coming up seems to be dealing in those that can talk to
the dead and some of the more popular movies as Star Wars
and others. This would basically make speaking to the dead
or spiritual beings from beyond normal after a fashion in
many of the genres in today’s film and screen plays.
It is a dark subject and really not one I’d care to spend to
much time worrying about.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayI have a friend who used to play in witchcraft, he became a christian, and he said he was in scary stuff, He stays far from it now, and now helps others stay away from it,
There are spiritual realities if God and the devil are real that
would not be provable yet give a reason for some actions
and events in single lives, and for those of nations too.
Temptation is one of the devils major goals with the hum ...[text shortened]... y not one I’d care to spend to
much time worrying about.
Kelly
Gary E. Schwartz has done studies that in theory prove that there are mediums that talk to the dead, Although I think your right in saying that most of them are frauds. King Saul in the Bible supposedly talked to the dead through a medium
11 Jul 05
Originally posted by flyUnityMe too, I know people with the same type of past. One quit but
I have a friend who used to play in witchcraft, he became a christian, and he said he was in scary stuff, He stays far from it now, and now helps others stay away from it,
Gary E. Schwartz has done studies that in theory prove that there are mediums that talk to the dead, Although I think your right in saying that most of them are frauds. King Saul in the Bible supposedly talked to the dead through a medium
did not get rid of her books. She called her house haunted, people
I know said that they saw things like all the clothes in a closet
suddendy move from one side to another by themselves. She moved
and so did her so called ghosts, they too moved into her new house.
I told her to get rid of her books and turn to God, but that wasn't
something she wanted to do. I don't believe those were ghosts either
and told her so, I think she understood, but didn't change her mind.
She said she quit witchcraft because things were getting very scary
and she couldn't take it anymore.
Kelly
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Originally posted by dale21No I doubt. Even the phrase "Everyone has their demons" belongs in a movie script. demons are bad acts that haunt your conscience... straighten out your deeds and peace will come to your mind.
I agree with you, the attitude of people saying that it is the devils fault, its not right that they blame him. I do believe the devil to be real, but then again i believe the bible so i would naturally believe what it says.
as your an athe ...[text shortened]... ir enough. can i ask you a question tho. Do you believe in demons?
Edit ps... I don't doubt the bible was the best account of what people saw and/or believed at the time.
11 Jul 05
Originally posted by David C? You mean you believe a diety made us and the universe? I don't. Just because we don't know the origin or extent of something doesn't mean a diety made it, though I guess people around 3000yrs ago thought that way.
As described in the xtian bible, I agree. As a metaphor of our own existance, not so sure.