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There are many Christians who claim that as long as you profess your faith in Christ you receive the Holy Spirit [HS]. Now when asked exactly what this means you will get a variety of responses...
- having the HS means that no sin will be counted against them as they HS cannot sin
- having the HS means that they cannot sin
- having the HS means that I will only do good works
I contend that all three claims are incorrect and unBiblical.
- A mans sin [done after a knowledge of Christ and after accepting Christ] is counted again him and he will bear the burden of that sin.
- There is ample evidence in the Bible that some with the HS did commit sin
- There is ample evidence in the Bible that some with the HS did not do good works.
[I can produce references to support these three claims ]
Here is a little additional information on what the Bible says. Compare what Christ says in Luke v Matthew :
Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Matt 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
God giving the HS to His people therefore really giving them good things that they may serve Him well in their walk with Him. Paul explains further in 1 Cor 12 there is a diversity of spiritual gifts, speaking in tongues, prophesying, exhorting, wisdom, healing, miracles etc. All are from the same source - the Holy Spirit of God. And this HS must manifest itself in some kind of good work or thing otherwise it is a false claim, a lie or a sham.
What is often ignored is that HS gifts described by Paul in 1 Cor 12 is delegated to second place after something far more important. Paul explains in 1 Cor 13, far more important that faith as well...
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. (1Co 12:27-13:7)
Paul descibes love and charity as more excellent than all of faith, prophesying, tongues - all these are nothing without brotherly love and charity.
The only thing that stands when Christ returns love and charity as Matt 25 states so clearly that it cannot be dismissed, despite the claims of some false preachers that Matt 25 refers to some other gospel or some other dispensation.
I am expecting a discussion on what Paul says in Romans 8, which is another chapter completely misunderstood by many Christians.
- having the HS means that no sin will be counted against them as they HS cannot sin
- having the HS means that they cannot sin
- having the HS means that I will only do good works
I contend that all three claims are incorrect and unBiblical.
- A mans sin [done after a knowledge of Christ and after accepting Christ] is counted again him and he will bear the burden of that sin.
- There is ample evidence in the Bible that some with the HS did commit sin
- There is ample evidence in the Bible that some with the HS did not do good works.
[I can produce references to support these three claims ]
Here is a little additional information on what the Bible says. Compare what Christ says in Luke v Matthew :
Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Matt 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
God giving the HS to His people therefore really giving them good things that they may serve Him well in their walk with Him. Paul explains further in 1 Cor 12 there is a diversity of spiritual gifts, speaking in tongues, prophesying, exhorting, wisdom, healing, miracles etc. All are from the same source - the Holy Spirit of God. And this HS must manifest itself in some kind of good work or thing otherwise it is a false claim, a lie or a sham.
What is often ignored is that HS gifts described by Paul in 1 Cor 12 is delegated to second place after something far more important. Paul explains in 1 Cor 13, far more important that faith as well...
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. (1Co 12:27-13:7)
Paul descibes love and charity as more excellent than all of faith, prophesying, tongues - all these are nothing without brotherly love and charity.
The only thing that stands when Christ returns love and charity as Matt 25 states so clearly that it cannot be dismissed, despite the claims of some false preachers that Matt 25 refers to some other gospel or some other dispensation.
I am expecting a discussion on what Paul says in Romans 8, which is another chapter completely misunderstood by many Christians.