The Jesus sacrifice

@chaney3 said
The Jesus story doesn't make sense.
Stay on topic.

Sure it makes sense, at least for those who will recieve salvation.

So I am saying you are correct, it does not make sense to you. I am staying on topic.

@caissad4 said
Stop trying to diminish my received thank you. I don't get many.
You are most welcome chaney3.

You made a very good point, which most don't even understand.

Or, like Dive, they're so entrenched, they won't stop for a second and think.

@chaney3 said
You made a very good point, which most don't even understand.

Or, like Dive, they're so entrenched, they won't stop for a second and think.

Most , not all, Christians on these forums are willfully ignorant.

@chaney3 said
He sacrificed Himself to save us from Him putting us in hell.

Yet, He has conditions. We must believe it's true.

A real God wouldn't do this.

Time out. Let's reconsider that premise.

Another view is that Jesus was an exemplar, rather than savior. That is, he demonstrated how a God-minded person could or should live, even under the most adverse circumstances.

Something interesting is that the tales and lessons of the Chassidic rebbes have close parallels with the parables and lessons of Jesus (as well as with an advaitic worldview, in some cases).

There were devout Chassidic Jews who danced with joy on their way into the ovens of the Nazis.

@caesar-salad said
Time out. Let's reconsider that premise.

Another view is that Jesus was an exemplar, rather than savior. That is, he demonstrated how a God-minded person could or should live, even under the most adverse circumstances.

Something interesting is that the tales and lessons of the Chassidic rebbes have close parallels with the parables and lessons of Jesus (as well as ...[text shortened]... ).

There were devout Chassidic Jews who danced with joy on their way into the ovens of the Nazis.

How do you logically explain that Jesus sacrificed himself to himself to save mankind from himself. Not to diminish the "greatness" of his sacrifice, but he only sacrificed himself for a weekend.

@caissad4 said
How do you logically explain that Jesus sacrificed himself to himself to save mankind from himself. Not to diminish the "greatness" of his sacrifice, but he only sacrificed himself for a weekend.

May I ask how you seem to have missed that my post was not at all about salvation but instead offered a different interpretation?

@caissad4 said
How do you logically explain that Jesus sacrificed himself to himself to save mankind from himself. Not to diminish the "greatness" of his sacrifice, but he only sacrificed himself for a weekend.

Your point raises a touchy subject, in that slaves, pow's of war, holocaust victims, etc., have all been beaten badly....then killed....but it lasted for years.

@chaney3 said
Your point raises a touchy subject, in that slaves, pow's of war, holocaust victims, etc., have all been beaten badly....then killed....but it lasted for years.

It begs the question "Whose suffering was greater ? "

@caissad4 said
It begs the question "Whose suffering was greater ? "

Are you sure you are using the phrase "begs the question" correctly?

@caissad4

How do you logically explain that Jesus sacrificed himself to himself to save mankind from himself. Not to diminish the "greatness" of his sacrifice, but he only sacrificed himself for a weekend.

He had to be man in order to be able to die.
He had to be God in order to make the significance of His death have eternal meaning and eternal efficacy.

Jesus is God - man.

@chaney3 said
He sacrificed Himself to save us from Him putting us in hell.

Yet, He has conditions. We must believe it's true.

A real God wouldn't do this.

How do you know what a real God would do?

@kellyjay said
How do you know what a real God would do?

Isn't everybody entitled to speculate about "what a real God would do"? Isn't it what you do all the time?

@sonship said
@caissad4

How do you logically explain that Jesus sacrificed himself to himself to save mankind from himself. Not to diminish the "greatness" of his sacrifice, but he only sacrificed himself for a weekend.

He had to be man in order to be able to die.
He had to be God in order to make the significance of His death have eternal meaning and eternal efficacy.

Jesus is God - man.

You are also saying that God killed Himself, so that He wouldn't have to kill us.

Yet, isn't there still a requirement for all humans to "believe" this actually happened or he kills us anyway?

The formula then goes: God dies + belief that He died = Heaven. Or:

God died - belief He died = hell.