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just a made up story and some of it plagerized from other earlier non-islamic writings.
@mister-moggy saidThank goodness you’re here...
just a made up story and some of it plagerized from other earlier non-islamic writings.
@mister-moggy saidIslam sees itself as the through-line for the legitimate worship of the Abrahamic God: they believe the Jews rejected the 'prophet Jesus' and they believe the Christians distorted the Jesus story and got who he was wrong.
just a made up story and some of it plagerized from other earlier non-islamic writings.
just a made up story ...
@sonship saidIndeed.
. But I am a newbie at the Quran.
Indeed.
It is not one of your finer qualities to belittle the religious books of other faiths.
@sonship saidPlease share what you like about the Koran. (A passage or two will suffice).
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Indeed.
It is not one of your finer qualities to belittle the religious books of other faiths.
Ghost, Ghost !! I didn't belittle anything. I simply said I find it difficult reading. And I find I have to exercise to recall what is in the classical explanations of the old Moslem scholars and what is in the Quran itself.
Where was the disrespect ?
@sonship saidThe Koran was (allegedly) given to Muhammad through revelations that were clearly disjointed. If these revelations did indeed come from God who are you to question his method of delivery?
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
It is not read in the chronological order in which the sayings were given. The organization of it starts to me in the middle of nowhere and proceeds meandering around from miscellaneous subject to miscellaneous subject. I am relating to you my take on it so far.
The sayings were existing as fragments possessed by hundreds of his followers. They were co ...[text shortened]... t painful have a long session of reading the Quran to me.
Others may have a different experience.
Here are additional details from Guillaume's "The Life of Muhammad", page 106.
So I [Muhammad] read it, and he [Gabriel] departed from me. And I awoke from my sleep, and it was though these words were written on my heart. (Tabari: Now none of God's creatures was more hateful to me than an (ecstatic) poet or a man possessed: I could not even look at them. I thought, Woe is me poet or possessed - Never shall Quraysh say this of me! I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself and gain rest. So I went forth to do so and then) when I was midway on the mountain, I heard a voice from heaven saying "O Muhammad! thou are the apostle of God and I am Gabriel."
The visitations from the spirit continued. Then they stopped for a time believed to have been 6 months to 3 years. When this happened, Tabari, volume 6 page 76, records:
"The inspiration ceased to come to the messenger of God for a while, and he was deeply grieved. He began to go to the tops of mountain crags, in order to fling himself from them; but every time he reached the summit of a mountain, Gabriel appeared to him and said to him, "You are the Prophet of God." Thereupon his anxiety would subside and he would come back to himself. [4]
In "Muhammad at Mecca", page 40, 41, there are also references that document Muhammad's suicidal thoughts. Watt quotes from az-Zuhri's material.
"He (Muhammad) said, I had been meditating throwing myself from a mountain crag, but while I was so meditating, he appeared to me and said, "O Muhammad, I am Gabriel, and thou are the Messenger of God."....
Az-Zuhri said: "There was a gap for a time in the revelation to the Messenger of God and he was very sorrowful. He started going early to the tops of the mountains to throw himself down from them. But whenever he reached the summit of a mountain, Gabriel would appear to him and say, "Thou are the Prophet of God."
However you view this event, it is undeniable that something extraordinary happened to Muhammad in the cave, and he was deeply distressed by it.
@mister-moggy saidI am curious if there is anything to the plagiarism claim or if you are just suggesting that the recounting of some of the Bible stories is plagiarism.
just a made up story and some of it plagerized from other earlier non-islamic writings.