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    The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
    Jeremiah 17:9 KJV

    A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.
    Ezekiel 36:26 KJV

    Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me.
    Psalm 51:10 NIV
  2. Standard memberKellyJay
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    24 Jun '17 14:39
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
    Jeremiah 17:9 KJV

    A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.
    Ezekiel 36:26 KJV

    Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit w ...[text shortened]... ekiel 36:26 KJV

    Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me.
    Ps
    Notice none of these say, my heart is good enough, or I can make my heart good enough.
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    24 Jun '17 14:48
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Notice none of these say, my heart is good enough, or I can make my heart good enough.
    "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God." Matthew 5:8

    If none are pure of heart, do none see God?
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    24 Jun '17 15:37
    Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
    "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God." Matthew 5:8

    If none are pure of heart, do none see God?
    James 4:8

    Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
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    24 Jun '17 15:38
    Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
    "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God." Matthew 5:8

    If none are pure of heart, do none see God?
    They will, they don't now.
    Only those that want to go to God will, all others will find some reason not to.
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    24 Jun '17 15:39
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    James 4:8

    Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
    Seems like your reference is contradicting what Kelly Jay said.

    Apparently it is possible for someone to purify their hearts and cleanse themselves.
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    24 Jun '17 15:391 edit
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    James 4:8

    Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
    Yep, with a pure heart towards God, remove from our lives that which is evil.
    You need God for this.
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    24 Jun '17 16:061 edit
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Seems like your reference is contradicting what Kelly Jay said.

    Apparently it is possible for someone to purify their hearts and cleanse themselves.
    Of course you need to be the one that repents and confesses your sin, that's what you have to do. God does the cleansing.

    1 John 1:9
    If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
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    24 Jun '17 16:14
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    Of course you need to be the one that repents and confesses your sin, that's what you have to do. God does the cleansing.

    1 John 1:9
    If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
    Gods cleansing means that He wipes that sin off your record. It will not be held against you.

    However people need to do more that just repent and confess, they must also
    NOT CONTINUE ON WITH SIN AND THEY MUST OBEY CHRIST.
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    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Gods cleansing means that He wipes that sin off your record. It will not be held against you.

    However people need to do more that just repent and confess, they must also
    NOT CONTINUE ON WITH SIN AND THEY MUST OBEY CHRIST.
    Of course but the admission of guilt, confession and repentance is the first step. Without that there is no regeneration unto righteousness.

    How does God wipe off the sin record if you deny His existence, don't acknowledge your sin and refuse to repent?
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    24 Jun '17 16:36
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    Of course but the admission of guilt, confession and repentance is the first step. Without that there is no regeneration unto righteousness.

    How does God wipe off the sin record if you deny His existence, don't acknowledge your sin and refuse to repent?
    How does God do something?

    Are you saying that some things are impossible for God to do?
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    24 Jun '17 17:26
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    How does God do something?

    Are you saying that some things are impossible for God to do?
    If you have scripture to support your notion that God forgives the sins of the unrepentant feel free to share it.
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    24 Jun '17 17:33
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    If you have scripture to support your notion that God forgives the sins of the unrepentant feel free to share it.
    "...since they show that the work of the Law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them.This will come to pass on that day when God will judge men’s secrets through Christ Jesus, as proclaimed by my gospel."

    Here we are told that unbelievers (who have Gods law written on their hearts) will be judged with everyone else and their thoughts will 'EITHER' accuse or defend them. - If the sins of the unrepentant were unforgivable by God, then why the 'either?'
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    24 Jun '17 17:37
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    If you have scripture to support your notion that God forgives the sins of the unrepentant feel free to share it.
    A good man out of the good treasure of his heart
    bringeth forth that which is good;
    and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart
    bringeth forth that which is evil:
    for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. (Luke 6:45 KJV)


    Good people and bad people

    Good people are sons of God.
    Evil people are children of the Devil.
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    24 Jun '17 18:061 edit
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    A good man out of the good treasure of his heart
    bringeth forth that which is good;
    and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart
    bringeth forth that which is evil:
    for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. (Luke 6:45 KJV)


    Good people and bad people

    Good people are sons of God.
    Evil people are children of the Devil.
    So some people are born righteous and and other people born evil? No all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God those that are righteous have been was washed in the blood of the lamb.

    “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21).
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