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Failure to distinguish between FOUR matters in the Bible will usually result to the kinds of errors taught by false, bad or wrong, or problematic teaching of the Scripture.
1.) The failure to differentiate between the genuine Christian and the false Christian.
2.) The failure to distinguish between the discipline of the genuine Christians and the eternal salvation of the genuine Christians.
3.) The failure to differentiate between the kingdom of God and eternal life.
4.) The failure to differentiate between discipline of the saved Christian during the millennial kingdom and the eternal perishing of the unbeliever.
I suggest I will reiterate these four points again with a little more explanation to each below.
@sonship saidAnd FOUR of these are:
Failure to distinguish between FOUR matters in the Bible will usually result to the kinds of errors taught by false, bad or wrong, or problematic teaching of the Scripture.
1) Eternal suffering.
2) The trinity (the doctrine itself).
3) Accepting the trinity as a pre-requisite to salivation (as published on the statement of beliefs page of the Local Church website).
4) Idolising preachers.
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The major help I am getting to write this comes from "The Collected Works of Watchman Nee" - "The Gospel of God" Volume II, Chapter - Salvation Being Eternal - Arguments Against , - Watchman Nee, Living Stream Ministry Publishers.
Most of this is my distillation of understanding the chapter and not verbatim cut and paste ... yet.
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1.) The failure to differentiate between the genuine Christian and the false Christian.
This is not a belief that it is always POSSIBLE for Christians to tell between a genuine and a false Christian. But the church universal is not encouraged to, because of this, not try, as much as we can, to detect the difference.
2.) The failure to distinguish between the discipline of the genuine Christians and the eternal salvation of the genuine Christians.
Eternal salvation should be distinguished from the divine discipline of those eternally saved. It is one thing for a Christian to be chastized by God in this age. It is another thing for an unbeliever to perish eternally.
A Christian once receiving an eternal redemption will never perish forever. But he may be chastised by God. There are many verses on God chastising His eternally saved believer. It is wrong to apply those verses to salvation.
3.) The failure to differentiate between the kingdom of God and eternal life.
There is a difference between the GIFT of eternal life and the REWARD of reigning with Christ in the coming kingdom of God.
Eternal salvation is assured to the believer.
Reward to reign with Christ in the coming age is not assured.
One is a matter of gift. The other is a matter of reward.
To be saved forever is one matter.
To be rewarded to reign with Christ, to rule with Christ, and to share with Christ the glory is the coming millennial kingdom is another matter.
Many mistakenly apply verses concerning reigning with Christ in the coming kingdom to eternal salvation.
Some think to be removed from reigning with Christ in the millennium as a reward is the same as perishing forever. This is a mistake.
4.) The failure to differentiate between discipline of the saved Christian during the millennial kingdom and the eternal perishing of the unbeliever.
A Christian saved for eternity may suffer chastisement in the current church age.
But the Christian may ALSO suffer chastisement in the age following the second coming of Christ.
A Christian in the coming age may not only lose the reward in the millennial kingdom but also be positively punished temporarily during that time.
This punishment of a believer during the millennial kingdom is a discipline in the family of God. It does not mean the loss of eternal salvation - loss of eternal life - the loss of the eternal redemption - or the loss of the eternal inheritance.
27 Oct 19
@sonship said1. This is an irrelevant classification promoted by the church. It has nothing to do with Jesus Christ and the Apostles. In fact there is no such thing as a false Christian. There are Christians who are simply members of the various churches associated with Christianity. All of them have HEARD THE WORD OF GOD. It is only those who KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS will be given eternal life.
Failure to distinguish between FOUR matters in the Bible will usually result to the kinds of errors taught by false, bad or wrong, or problematic teaching of the Scripture.
1.) The failure to differentiate between the genuine Christian and the false Christian.
2.) The failure to distinguish between the discipline of the genuine Christians and the eter ...[text shortened]...
I suggest I will reiterate these four points again with a little more explanation to each below.
2. Eternal salvation is for those who OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS. Clearly stated by Paul.
3. Those who Keep the commandments get eternal life in the New Jerusalem.Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. (Revelation 22:14 KJV)
4. Failure to obey the commandments means that there is no inheritance in the Kingdom of Christ and of God.
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1. This is an irrelevant classification promoted by the church. It has nothing to do with Jesus Christ and the Apostles. In fact there is no such thing as a false Christian.
This criticism is related to my point #1.
Paul spoke of false brothers. It should be understood as not genuine Christians, phony Christians, artificial Christians.
" ... in dangers often, in dangers of rivers, in dangers of robbers, in dangers from my race, in dangers from the Gentiles, in dangers in the city, in dangers in the wilderness, in dangers in the sea, in dangers among false brothers." ( 2 Cor. 11:26)
False brothers means false Christians.
If you are yourself a false Christian it is expected that you might deny that there exists false Christians.
@sonship removed their quoted post5.) A troll that consistently contradicts the clear teaching of scripture.
6.) A troll that fails to confess that what the scriptures teach with regards to the redemptive work of Christ on the cross, and the shedding of His blood as the atonement for sin, and faith in the substitutionary death of the savior for salvation and eternal life for the believer.
7.) A troll that thinks he can rob God of His glory by claiming that his good works and efforts in the flesh can earn him eternal life.
8.) A troll is one that stands before the veil with his head held high thanking God for not making him like other men.
9.) A troll is one that has never fallen to his knees before God with a broken and contrite heart.
27 Oct 19
@sonship saidActually you are misunderstanding Paul. In the early days of the church, Christianity was illegal in some regions. These false brothers were infiltrators who were there to report the church to the authorities. They were not Christians at all.1. This is an irrelevant classification promoted by the church. It has nothing to do with Jesus Christ and the Apostles. In fact there is no such thing as a false Christian.
This criticism is related to my point #1.
Paul spoke of false brothers. It should be understood as not genuine Christians, phony Christians, artificial Christians.
[quote ...[text shortened]... re yourself a false Christian it is expected that you might deny that there exists false Christians.
@rajk999 said10.) A troll is one that tells a believer that they are wrong and misunderstanding what Paul said, and then repeats the same thing the believer said as though it wasn't what the believer said.
Actually you are misunderstanding Paul. In the early days of the church, Christianity was illegal in some regions. These false brothers were infiltrators who were there to report the church to the authorities. They were not Christians at all.
@secondson saidTrolls are not in the bible so I have no interest in that. You seem to have great interest in things not said by Christ and your entire doctrine is not of Christ.
10.) A troll is one that tells a believer that they are wrong and misunderstanding what Paul said, and then repeats the same thing the believer said as though it wasn't what the believer said.
A fool was defined by Christ and you fit the description perfectly. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. (Matthew 7:26-27 KJV)
Nothing you say is from Christ so what you do have is a perfectly personal relationship with Satan. .. lol... 😀
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@sonship saidThere is no failure on my part.2. Eternal salvation is for those who OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS. Clearly stated by Paul.
This is related to my point #3.
3.) The failure to differentiate between the kingdom of God and eternal life.
- there is the ,millennial reign of Christ during which the saints in Christ are given eternal life and they rule with Christ
- there is the New jerusalem where all people are judged according to their works and are either rewarded with eternal life or destroyed.
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Rajk999 denies the existence of something as false Christians.
In the early days of the church, Christianity was illegal in some regions. These false brothers were infiltrators who were there to report the church to the authorities. They were not Christians at all.
So they were false brothers and false Christians. As he says himself -
They were not Christians at all.
Trying to disagree and teach me he agrees instead.
This was not the only reason for the existence of "false brothers." Religious workers competing for a following, competing to invent another religion or to teach another Jesus also accounted for false Christians / false [Christian] brothers.
The Apostle John writes of some false Christians -
"They went out from us, but they were not of us, for it they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out that they might be manifested that they all are not of us." ( 1 John 2:19)
I believe that we should include more explanation of these below verse 19 in verse 22,23. They also denied the Father and the Son. They also do not HAVE the Father.
"Who is a liar if not he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
Everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who confesses the Son has the Father also." (vs. 22,23)