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Originally posted by David CTo be serious for a moment, I think it's more likely that in the days when an orgasm was a luxury that really served no practical use, it was discouraged (and therefore not included in the holy scripts). It's also possible that because sex can lead to violent acts between contesting males, humans have always considered it a vile need that should be controlled and not encouraged outside of a controlled relationship. Today, we have all the time in the world to enjoy a good orgasm, completely safe from harm, so the bible should be updated really.
Interesting. One of the most physically and mentally exciting sensations we can experience, and God's Word says nothing (specific) about it. Maybe the orgasm didn't exist in the Good Ol' Days?
Lo and behold. In Gods hands were his humongous...
Well, you get the picture.
Edit: Oh, and I've always suspected that God was hot for Mary and that's why, you know?.. he nailed her. Well, obviously. Hee...
Edit 2: Uhm... I'll just... is that the door?.. There?.. Ok... I'll just... leave now... Hee... 😳
Originally posted by stockenThis is not true. The sex act has not always been considered a
It's also possible that because sex can lead to violent acts between contesting males, humans have always considered it a vile need that should be controlled and not encouraged outside of a controlled relationship.
'vile need that should be controlled.' Confer with the debates between
St Augustine and St John Chrystosom (St Augustine's position
prevailed and, centuries of repression ensued). To be sure, the
pagans did not believe this. I would appeal to Vistesd for what the
Talmud/Kabala has to say on the issue.
Nemesio
Originally posted by NemesioGive me a bit of time, to search out references.
This is not true. The sex act has not always been considered a
'vile need that should be controlled.' Confer with the debates between
St Augustine and St John Chrystosom (St Augustine's position
prevailed and, centuries of repression ensued). To be sure, the
pagans did not believe this. I would appeal to Vistesd for what the
Talmud/Kabala has to say on the issue.
Nemesio
There have been some pretty strict positions taken by rabbis over the centuries regarding sex outside of marriage, and women have been suppressed in Judaism as well as other places (e.g., there are no women rabbis in orthodox Judaism today, whereas there are in the other divisions).
However, sex itself is viewed as being both good-in-itself (in terms of pleasure and intimacy), and a holy act both mirroring and completing the divine intimacy within the Godhead. Celibacy is generally viewed in Judaism, not as a virtue, but as unnatural.
(In the Torah, and in the Talmuds, all that talk about “clean and unclean” is neither about moral categories, nor about “vileness”.)
That’s really all I can say without getting into the sources—and remember that, in any event (1) Judaism is not monolithic (any more than Christianity is), and (2) my own studies have mostly been in how the tradition is interpreted by modern, liberal streams of Judaism, especially, the monistic, as opposed to monotheistic, threads.
No, I don't think the pagans--to their credit--have ever viewed sexuality as vile or fraught with potential immorality or whatever.