Originally posted by Conrau KIf by bigot you mean I dont support old men (priests to boot) sticking their dicks in little boys, then thank you. If by bigot you mean I dislike the way the leaders of the organisation covered up the horrendous acts, then thank you again.
Very witty. Maybe I would bother explaining what 'vicar of Christ' really means but you're just a biggot, so there's hardly any point.
You should be ashamed to support such an organisation. There are names to call people like you but the post will be deleted. i think you know the names I mean.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHe must have married along time ago. It is generally not a problem for a Catholic to marry a Protestant. Any bishop would approve without batting an eyelid.
tell me, my dad is a lapsed catholic, he really never got over his family boycotting his wedding because he married a protestant, and therefore i have not really learned very much about his religion. he never goes to chapel.
Originally posted by Rajk999I don't support pedophilia. And I don't like how some Catholic leaders concealed those crimes. But I don't see how that is relevant here. It's quite gratuitous. No Catholic claims impeccability. No Catholic priest claims to be Christ.
If by bigot you mean I dont support old men (priests to boot) sticking their dicks in little boys, then thank you. If by bigot you mean I dislike the way the leaders of the organisation covered up the horrendous acts, then thank you again.
You should be ashamed to support such an organisation. There are names to call people like you but the post will be deleted. i think you know the names I mean.
You should be ashamed to support such an organisation. There are names to call people like you but the post will be deleted. i think you know the names I mean.
Yep, bigot. I am indebted to the Catholic Church. Many of my dear friends are priests and it was a priest who paid for my education. I have only ever known loving and compassionate priests.
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Originally posted by Conrau KOh yeah .. the rest of the world must keep quiet while those sick bastards bone little boys because you got an education? Ok.
I don't support pedophilia. And I don't like how some Catholic leaders concealed those crimes. But I don't see how that is relevant here. It's quite gratuitous. No Catholic claims impeccability. No Catholic priest claims to be Christ.
[b]You should be ashamed to support such an organisation. There are names to call people like you but the post will be d ...[text shortened]... iest who paid for my education. I have only ever known loving and compassionate priests.[/b]
By the way, the problem may have abated in developed countries where there are massive law suits but in the backward 3W countries (like where I am) where there is little law and order, those sex offenders hiding behind Catholocism, continue their pastime as usual.
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Originally posted by Rajk999Well, as I see it, most priests are good and morally outstanding people. I don't doubt that there are some evil people in this world who exploit their religious authority to obtain sexual gratification. But that does not seem good enough grounds to hate every priest and think the Pope a fraud.
Oh yeah .. the rest of the world must keep quiet while those sick bastards bone little boys because you got an education? Ok.
By the way, the problem may have abated in developed countries where there are massive law suits but in the backward 3W countries (like where I am) where there is little law and order, those sex offenders hiding behind Catholocism, continue their pastime as usual.
And anyway, the point is irrelevant. Whether or not priests and bishops are moral has no bearing on whether they are vicars of Christ. The Catechism defines priests and bishops as vicars of Christ only in that they stand in the place of Christ for the celebration of the sacraments or, for bishops, for the use of teaching authority. No where does the Catechism state that the clergy is devoid of any immorality.
Originally posted by Conrau Kyes i am sure he had to get a dispensation ?? from someone at the time. it really turned him against Catholicism, for he could not reconcile their actions and their pretensions of piousness, infant, it turned him against religion in general. It was in 1968, that he married.
He must have married along time ago. It is generally not a problem for a Catholic to marry a Protestant. Any bishop would approve without batting an eyelid.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI see. Things were different in 1968. If a Catholic were to marry a Protestant back then, they could not marry before the altar. They generally had to marry in vestibule, which would be highly embarrassing because a large group of family and friends would not be able to witness. Dispensation is still required but nowadays it is not an issue and nobody really cares whether the couple is of mixed religion. Not so sure about 'pretensions of piety'. I think that still exists.
yes i am sure he had to get a dispensation ?? from someone at the time. it really turned him against Catholicism, for he could not reconcile their actions and their pretensions of piousness, infant, it turned him against religion in general. It was in 1968, that he married.
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Originally posted by Conrau Khe never in fact married in the catholic church, such was his indignation, he was married by a protestant church of Scotland minister, in a protestant affiliated church, it did not matter to him, it was his family's choice, he just loved a women and wanted to get married. even now there is terrible trouble between catholic and protestants. People think that its confined to Ireland, but its not, four people were killed at the last meeting of the two, after a football match, not in Ireland, but here in Glasgow, and not with guns, but with knives :'(
I see. Things were different in 1968. If a Catholic were to marry a Protestant back then, they could not marry before the altar. They generally had to marry in vestibule, which would be highly embarrassing because a large group of family and friends would not be able to witness. Dispensation is still required but nowadays it is not an issue and nobody reall ...[text shortened]... ple is of mixed religion. Not so sure about 'pretensions of piety'. I think that still exists.
Originally posted by Rajk999LOL. You're trying so hard to play hard ball it's hilarious.
You should be ashamed to support such an organisation. There are names to call people like you but the post will be deleted. i think you know the names I mean.
Do you support the U.S. Army although they are doing their best to cover up rapes, defend rapists and smear victims - in Iraq for example? If you do, does that make you a rapist? LOL.
Originally posted by Rajk999there are paedofiles in many other organisations.
If by bigot you mean I dont support old men (priests to boot) sticking their dicks in little boys, then thank you. If by bigot you mean I dislike the way the leaders of the organisation covered up the horrendous acts, then thank you again.
You should be ashamed to support such an organisation. There are names to call people like you but the post will be deleted. i think you know the names I mean.
Just because one or ten paedofiles happened to be banker/doctors/etc, doesn't mean all banks/hospitals/etc are evil.
Originally posted by Rajk999Its not about keeping quiet, it is about not making an ass of yourself by giving the whole organisation a bad name because of a few bad apples.
Oh yeah .. the rest of the world must keep quiet while those sick bastards bone little boys because you got an education? Ok.
By the way, the problem may have abated in developed countries where there are massive law suits but in the backward 3W countries (like where I am) where there is little law and order, those sex offenders hiding behind Catholocism, continue their pastime as usual.
There are some neo-nazis in the US, does that mean the US is the new reich? no.
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Originally posted by generalissimoYou can say it's just a few bad apples, but the recent 10yr inquiry in Ireland found the abuse 'endemic'. When priests were found to be abusing children they were moved on, when they should have been reported to the police. These so called men of God should have known better.
Its not about keeping quiet, it is about not making an ass of yourself by giving the whole organisation a bad name because of a few bad apples.
There are some neo-nazis in the US, does that mean the US is the new reich? no.
In the Irish scandal the Irish government set up a board to pay compensation to victims of the abuse who suffered sexual, physical or mental abuse in church-run institutions. Payouts required claimants to renounce their right to sue the church and state authorities. Taxpayers, not the church, covered the bulk of the cost.
That's just more than a 'few bad apples'. What's worse, the people who commit the crimes or the people who knew what was going on but decided to do nothing and move people on so more children could have their lives ruined??
Originally posted by Proper KnobYou can say it's just a few bad apples, but the recent 10yr inquiry in Ireland found the abuse 'endemic'.
You can say it's just a few bad apples, but the recent 10yr inquiry in Ireland found the abuse 'endemic'. When priests were found to be abusing children they were moved on, when they should have been reported to the police. These so called men of God should have known better.
In the Irish scandal the Irish government set up a board to pay compensation ...[text shortened]... decided to do nothing and move people on so more children could have their lives ruined??
If you look at the number of priests around the globe you'll see the number of peadofiles is small.
These so called men of God should have known better.
agreed.
Taxpayers, not the church, covered the bulk of the cost.
I agree that shouldn't have happened.
That's just more than a 'few bad apples'. What's worse, the people who commit the crimes or the people who knew what was going on but decided to do nothing and move people on so more children could have their lives ruined??
That is also wrong.
However, the only people to blame are the people in the church itself.
The beliefs of the church are not wrong, its the people who are wrong (not all, but some).