the problem with not believing in god

Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
he said there was no such thing as fact for one

Well fact either does or doesn't exist. So it's 50/50.

Originally posted by rooktakesqueen

fact can be disproved, faith can never be

This post has to be one of the worst thought out pile of rambling nonsense that I have ever read.

Faith must be based on something, a something that is taken as fact by the faithful. That the Bible is true is a fact for many Christians. None of these people talk about having faith that the Bible is true history--on the contrary, they speak openly and very agressively that every word is entirely fact. Which is assumed stronger here, fact or faith?

Your final startement, which I quoted above, is the bright yellow danger sign that always flickers above the religious that refuse to consider the obvious conclusions of the evidence surrounding them. "Faith can never be disproved." In other words, no matter how many times you tell me I was crazy for blowing up that building, my faith shows me the way. No matter how well argued is your case, no matter how much sensible evidence you present, I automatically assume you are wrong because in order for my faith to survive you must be.

There is no talking with the fanatic. There is no reasoning with him. There is to communicating with him. He is nothing but a ticking timebomb waiting to go off. And this is the kind of behavior you are endorsing.

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
Well fact either does or doesn't exist. So it's 50/50.

I must agree with you. A fact is either true or not - a 50/50 bet.

But faith is a different animal. Because it is based on truth, it must be 100% true. What bothers me is the person who says that faith might or might not be true, which brings it back to 50/50?!!?

Truth tables (in percentages)
............. Christian Muslim Jew
..Christian . . 100 . . . 0 . . . 0
....Muslim . . . . 0 . . . 100 . . . 0
..........Jew . . . . 0 . . . 0 . . . 100

Now along comes the Hindu... can they look at the above table and say that it's wrong, it would probably be about 33% each, except that I know I'm right and I'm 100% and each of these are 0%?



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Originally posted by snowinscotland
I must agree with you. A fact is either true or not - a 50/50 bet.

No actually it's a 50/50 that fact exists at all! 😲

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
What would be the use? Your post doesn't resemble anything like a coherent exposition of an epistemic viewpoint. It resembles only a jumbled mess that anybody with sufficient critical thinking skills to appreciate any explanation I might give would have been completely embarrassed to post in the first place.

and you still dont give a valid explanation scribbles... i appreciate you may only be about 12 and have yet to acquite a dictionary, but i will try again, just once more... can you give a valid explanation as to why the post makes no sense at all, or just ask your mum what you should say

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
Well fact either does or doesn't exist. So it's 50/50.

that's not strictly true, you leave no room for 'maybe'

Originally posted by thesonofsaul
This post has to be one of the worst thought out pile of rambling nonsense that I have ever read.

Faith must be based on something, a something that is taken as fact by the faithful. That the Bible is true is a fact for many Christians. None of these people talk about having faith that the Bible is true history--on the contrary, they speak openly a but a ticking timebomb waiting to go off. And this is the kind of behavior you are endorsing.

there is so much rubbish in thesonofsaul's context i dont even know where to start... lets keep it brief, the bible is true for a christian because that truth is based on faith, not fact... secondly, i dont believe in god, i'm a atheist; i am basing the problem with not believing in god from my point of view, fact can be overridden, faith can never be; if you feel so confident you can, and going by your post you seem pretty sure, prove to a christian god doesnt exist, bring his faith into a science lab and prove its wrong...

Originally posted by rooktakesqueen
there is so much rubbish in thesonofsaul's context i dont even know where to start... lets keep it brief, the bible is true for a christian because that truth is based on faith, not fact... secondly, i dont believe in god, i'm a atheist; i am basing the problem with not believing in god from my point of view, fact can be overridden, faith can never be ...[text shortened]... ove to a christian god doesnt exist, bring his faith into a science lab and prove its wrong...

My apologies for not knowing anything about you. I must have missed the link to your biography. And as for causing a Christian to believe that God does not exist, I have actually done that, to my shame, but only by arguing against Christianity. I am a theist. Obviously I would not have any interest in proving that God does not exist in a lab--that would be tantamount, for me, to proving that man does not have two arms in a lab or that red is not a highly visible color in a lab.

I had better state my position here. I believe in God. I believe this way simply because to believe in a controlling power is not only a natural assumption for a human being, but that faith in this controlling power has circumstantial evidence, like herbal remidies, toward being benificial. That is the area that where I feel weak, however. Raised in a very selfish society, I have been conditioned to want God-like powers for myself. To have faith that even friends and neighbors want the best for me is close to impossible, so faith in a supreme entity is a bit tricky. Am working on it, but it is difficult eliminating my American-ness.

Now, what was the question again?

Originally posted by rooktakesqueen
there is so much rubbish in thesonofsaul's context i dont even know where to start... lets keep it brief, the bible is true for a christian because that truth is based on faith, not fact... secondly, i dont believe in god, i'm a atheist; i am basing the problem with not believing in god from my point of view, fact can be overridden, faith can never be ...[text shortened]... ove to a christian god doesnt exist, bring his faith into a science lab and prove its wrong...

the bible is true for a christian because that truth is based on faith, not fact
Obviously, the Bible deals with various aspects of truth, the levels of which would likely be lost on you at this stage of the game. There is no shame in that, so don't take that as a slam; it isn't intended as such.

In all probability, your reference is to one of the most basic levels of truth presented by the record, the histrocity of the Bible. Specifically, you likely are calling into question the sundry miracles maintained within the Bible as actual historical events. Shall we begin there?

Originally posted by knightmeister
faith does not rely on evidence.

Not true. I have faith in my ability to hole a 4 foot putt for money. However , it is based on the evidence (or past experience ) of my own ability. Rationally I can justify the likelihood of me holing the putt based on lots of evidence , but even though I know this, I still need faith to overcome the sea of negative ...[text shortened]... issing the putt at all , if it was like that all the time I wouldn't need faith in my ability.

well said

I do not refute the existence of God, but i believe that if he exists, he created the heaven, the earth, all things bright and beautiful, cancerous bus crashes and terminal illness.


Pray to him if you want, but as far as i'm concearned.....he don't give a rats ass.

Originally posted by snowinscotland
I must agree with you. A fact is either true or not - a 50/50 bet.

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
No actually it's a 50/50 that fact exists at all! 😲

So we can now conclude that the probability of an individual fact being true is only 25%

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I am starting to see why so many people loose money in casinos!