Spirituality
04 Oct 22
04 Oct 22
@divegeester saidRight now we all see through a glass darkly because the truth is hidden, and maybe with good reason. If I had to speculate would say that some lives are reincarnated. A child would not have had the opportunity to demonstrate that they meet the requirements for eternal life, as stipulated by Christ, so they are just reborn into a different body, and given another chance.
What do Christians (or other theists) believe happens to children (born or unborn) who sadly die before they have become Christians?
Christians choose to ignore the fact that the bible speaks of reincarnated lives.
05 Oct 22
@rajk999 saidWould this include unborn children who have either died in the womb naturally or even been aborted?
Right now we all see through a glass darkly because the truth is hidden, and maybe with good reason. If I had to speculate would say that some lives are reincarnated. A child would not have had the opportunity to demonstrate that they meet the requirements for eternal life, as stipulated by Christ, so they are just reborn into a different body, and given another chance.
@divegeester saidJesus Christ is an example of reincarnation. The Son of God, a spirit being residing with God, born into the world as a human is what reincarnation is about. There is also the example of Elijah returning as John the Baptist
Interesting; could you expand on where the bible does this please?
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist. (Matthew 17:11-13 KJV)
The doctrine that after death there is nothingness is false. Some go to a place of punishment [the sinful] and some to a place of rest [the righteous], many are neither sinful nor righteous and are returned to continue their existence on the earth. This is part of the Jewish belief about the afterlife, a belief which was not discouraged by Christ but rather reinforced.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/reincarnation-and-judaism
The purpose of reincarnation is seen as a chance for a soul to achieve a goal not achieved in a previous life and as a chance to reward man for fulfilling the desires of his Creator. Reincarnation has also been viewed as punishment for a sinner’s previous deeds. For example, a rich man who abused his power may come back as poor.
05 Oct 22
@divegeester saidI would say 'Yes' to that.
Would this include unborn children who have either died in the womb naturally or even been aborted?
05 Oct 22
@rajk999 saidBlimey that’s some unusual dogma you got there!
Jesus Christ is an example of reincarnation. The Son of God, a spirit being residing with God, born into the world as a human is what reincarnation is about. There is also the example of Elijah returning as John the Baptist
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and th ...[text shortened]... a sinner’s previous deeds. For example, a rich man who abused his power may come back as poor.
@rajk999 saidInteresting; so as I’ve proposed previously to KellyJay…
I would say 'Yes' to that.
- Non Christian aborted children go straight to eternal life.
- Non Christian adult prisoners who are executed go straight to enteral suffering.
- So it’s statically better to be an aborted foetus than it is a death row inmate in need of years of possible repentance.
Kellyjay are you reading this?
05 Oct 22
@divegeester saidIts in the bible. Its the churches that preach unusual dogma.
Blimey that’s some unusual dogma you got there!
05 Oct 22
@divegeester saidWell if there is something in the bible supporting such conclusions then please provide it.
Interesting; so as I’ve proposed previously to KellyJay…
- Non Christian aborted children go straight to eternal life.
- Non Christian adult prisoners who are executed go straight to enteral suffering.
- So it’s statically better to be an aborted foetus than it is a death row inmate in need of years of possible repentance.
Kellyjay are you reading this?
07 Oct 22
@divegeester saidI don't know where they go, do you? I know that life is a gift of God and our lives
Interesting; so as I’ve proposed previously to KellyJay…
- Non Christian aborted children go straight to eternal life.
- Non Christian adult prisoners who are executed go straight to enteral suffering.
- So it’s statically better to be an aborted foetus than it is a death row inmate in need of years of possible repentance.
Kellyjay are you reading this?
are in His hands, and you think it is better that a human life gets murdered in the
womb to satisfy your idea of what life should be eternally not God's? Why stop at
the womb, and why stop at eternal life, we could end poor people's lives to save
them from the suffering of being poor causes.
You don't get to choose who gets to keep their lives and lose them, people used to
kill their children to please a god to make their lives better, that acceptable to you
too, or just because they don't want them is enough? You have a mindset for the
promotion of death, not life, better that someone chooses life over death, but you
want to remove all choices from another just because you think death is better than
life. Jesus came that we might have life, the thief to kill and destroy, what are you
pushing here life or death?
@kellyjay said@kellyjay said
I don't know where they go, do you?
I don't know where they [deceased children] go, do you?
Well let’s consider the options based on your beliefs:
- Option 1 they go straight to heaven and eternal life
- Option 2 they go straight to hell and eternal suffering
If it’s option 1, then at what age does that person stop being a “child” and become eligible for eternal suffering?
If it’s option 2, then how does that sit with scripture?
[more logical evidence that in fact there is no Hell]
@divegeester saidThere are posthumous services for the unbaptized who die in infancy as well as for aborted foetuses. They go to heaven.
What do Christians (or other theists) believe happens to children (born or unborn) who sadly die before they have become Christians?
It's not in the Bible, so don't bother to ask. Not everything pertaining to Christianity is in the Bible.
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@divegeester said"Sadly" from [w|W]hose point of view?
What do Christians (or other theists) believe happens to children (born or unborn) who sadly die before they have become Christians?
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@divegeester saidMan proposes; God disposes.
Interesting; so as I’ve proposed previously to KellyJay…
- Non Christian aborted children go straight to eternal life.
- Non Christian adult prisoners who are executed go straight to enteral suffering.
- So it’s statically better to be an aborted foetus than it is a death row inmate in need of years of possible repentance.
Kellyjay are you reading this?
Interesting that you (in a cowardly, indirect way) continue to try to engage KellyJay on such a topic, knowing that he and his wife have lost a child.
I got scolded by Ghost for involving your wife in one of my posts -- and yet here you are getting away with this.