1. Standard membergalveston75
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    19 Aug '13 01:001 edit
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Why do you refuse to obey the words of Jesus to honor the Son as you do the Father?

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    What? What a senless statement. You say Jesus is the son and Father. So this makes no sense just as the trinity doesn't.
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    19 Aug '13 01:342 edits
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Rocks do not become alive and apes do not become humans.

    No answer my question.
    Good. Now we can agree that evilution must be a false teaching.

    People with lower intelligence than me can determine in most cases what has other than the literal meaning. It is the way they use their intelligence that makes the difference.

    Certainly we know that the Bible has figures of speech, like a camel going through the eye of a needle, which is meant to be an exaggeration in the same manner as raining cats and dogs. However, the general rule is to take everything literal as long as it makes sense or unless you have some reason from the Holy Bible that conflicts with the literal interpretation. Then this has to be reconciled by using reason and logic.

    The Holy Bible is like a mystery book in which you have to gather all the clues together from every portion to really understand it all. It even tells us "here a little, there a little."

    But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

    (Isaiah 28:13 KJV)

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    19 Aug '13 06:12
    This video may help you understand why the Genesis account is literal history.

    YouTube

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  4. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    19 Aug '13 18:54
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    People with lower intelligence than me ...
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    Are usually in Special Adult Education.
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    19 Aug '13 18:56
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    However, the general rule is to take everything literal ... Then this has to be reconciled by using reason and logic.

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    You have repeatedly shown that you do not understand reason or logic
    so how on earth can you apply them?
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    20 Aug '13 04:38
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    You have repeatedly shown that you do not understand reason or logic
    so how on earth can you apply them?
    My intelligent application of reason and logic reveals to me that you are only intersested in attacking me and are not really interested in learning from...

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  7. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    20 Aug '13 22:18
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    My intelligent application of reason and logic reveals to me that you are only intersested in attacking me and are not really interested in learning from...

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    No. I am really interested in how any sane person can hold your views and
    spout such nonsense based on logic. Your failure to ever enter into
    debate makes me wonder why you are here.
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    21 Aug '13 01:04
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    No. I am really interested in how any sane person can hold your views and
    spout such nonsense based on logic. Your failure to ever enter into
    debate makes me wonder why you are here.
    I am not here to enter into a debate with you, but to instruct in the truth of God.

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  9. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    22 Aug '13 07:17
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I am not here to enter into a debate with you, but to instruct in the truth of God.

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    Instruction is most effective through debate.

    If you disagree with that then you disagree with modern pedagogy and
    also with Jesus.

    Or do you think Jesus's teachings were dictatorial?
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    22 Aug '13 12:15
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Instruction is most effective through debate.

    If you disagree with that then you disagree with modern pedagogy and
    also with Jesus.

    Or do you think Jesus's teachings were dictatorial?
    Mark 10:6 says, “But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’” From this passage, we see that Jesus clearly taught that the creation was young, for Adam and Eve existed “from the beginning,” not billions of years after the universe and earth came into existence. Jesus made a similar statement in Mark 13:19 indicating that man’s sufferings started very near the beginning of creation. The parallel phrases of “from the foundation of the world” and “from the blood of Abel” in Luke 11:50–51 also indicate that Jesus placed Abel very close to the beginning of creation, not billions of years after the beginning.His Jewish listeners would have assumed this meaning in Jesus’ words, for the first-century Jewish historian Josephus indicates that the Jews of his day believed that both the first day of creation and Adam’s creation were about 5,000 years before Christ.

    In John 5:45–47, Jesus says, “Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust. For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?” In this passage, Jesus makes it clear that one must believe what Moses wrote. And one of the passages in the writings of Moses in Exodus 20:11 states: “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.” This, of course, is the basis for our seven-day week—six days of work and one day of rest. Obviously, this passage was meant to be taken as speaking of a total of seven literal days based on the Creation Week of six literal days of work and one literal day of rest.

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/did-jesus-say-he-created-in-six-days

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    22 Aug '13 20:58
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Mark 10:6 says, “But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’” From this passage, we see that Jesus clearly taught that the creation was young, for Adam and Eve existed “from the beginning,” not billions of years after the universe and earth came into existence. Jesus made a similar statement in Mark 13:19 indicating that man’s su ...[text shortened]... p://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/did-jesus-say-he-created-in-six-days

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    You have conveniently forgotten what our debate is about and side-stepped
    my original question. You should have been a politician .. though maybe you
    are even too dumb for that.
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    23 Aug '13 00:39
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    You have conveniently forgotten what our debate is about and side-stepped
    my original question. You should have been a politician .. though maybe you
    are even too dumb for that.
    No, Jesus's teachings were not dictatorial. You have been given the free will to believe or not. It is up to you.

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  13. Standard memberRJHinds
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    23 Aug '13 00:43
    Originally posted by galveston75
    What? What a senless statement. You say Jesus is the son and Father. So this makes no sense just as the trinity doesn't.
    I did not say Jesus is the Son and the Father. That is something you have made up.

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  14. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    23 Aug '13 04:38
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    No, Jesus's teachings were not dictatorial. You have been given the free will to believe or not. It is up to you.

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    You have conveniently forgotten what our debate is about and side-stepped
    my original question.
  15. Standard memberRJHinds
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    23 Aug '13 07:40
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    You have conveniently forgotten what our debate is about and side-stepped
    my original question.
    You made a strawman argument to debate and I already corrected it and answered all your questions. That debate is dead and there is no point in you beating a dead horse.

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