1. Subscribersonhouse
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    21 Aug '05 00:14
    because they are standing on empty ground, making up stories
    for weak minds to follow, mainly for the purpose of building a
    power base with of course the founder on the top of the crap heap.
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    21 Aug '05 02:33
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    because they are standing on empty ground, making up stories
    for weak minds to follow, mainly for the purpose of building a
    power base with of course the founder on the top of the crap heap.
    I think atheists are in a universal black hole. Do you believe in evolution?
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    21 Aug '05 03:08
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    I think atheists are in a universal black hole. Do you believe in evolution?
    Believing in evolution still leaves a lot of room for the belief in god.
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    21 Aug '05 03:47
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    I think atheists are in a universal black hole. Do you believe in evolution?
    Atheism has nothing to do with evolution. They're two completely different subjects. Not all atheists believe in evolution (although there tends to be a very high correlation), and large number of theists do believe in it.
  5. Subscribersonhouse
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    21 Aug '05 13:51
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    I think atheists are in a universal black hole. Do you believe in evolution?
    Why do you assume I am an atheist? My personal position is
    if there is a god its a dispicable pathetic caracature giving random
    and contradictory rules to a pathetically weak crowd unable to use
    the only thing that separates us from animals: our brains.
    I cannot deny the horrible prospect of a possiblity there is a god
    and I cannot deny the more pleasant idea of the absence of god.
    Evolution can happen with or without a god. Suppose the role of a real
    god is to just start the ball rolling, maybe he has a machine that
    starts the big bang going and made our universe then just sits
    back and watches the action from his microscope in the sky, then
    whatever evolves, evolves and he has a good laugh at all the
    guesswork as to what the real god is, all the contradictory lies
    made up in his name. But it could just as easily be a convolution
    of forces contrived to cause the big bang and we end up with the
    sun, earth, evolution, no god and everything proceeds as it always has
    with no god looking down from his microscope in the sky and
    we are all simply telling lies and stories. Either way theists are wrong.
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    21 Aug '05 14:08
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Atheism has nothing to do with evolution. They're two completely different subjects. Not all atheists believe in evolution (although there tends to be a very high correlation), and large number of theists do believe in it.
    Better to say that there is a very high correlation with accepting evolution and being "not a wacky evangelical literalist American xtian."
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    21 Aug '05 14:49
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Why do you assume I am an atheist? My personal position is
    if there is a god its a dispicable pathetic caracature giving random
    and contradictory rules to a pathetically weak crowd unable to use
    the only thing that separates us from animals: our brains.
    I cannot deny the horrible prospect of a possiblity there is a god
    and I cannot deny the more pleasa ...[text shortened]... oscope in the sky and
    we are all simply telling lies and stories. Either way theists are wrong.
    Sorry, I do not assume anything, I apologize...please read the thread entitled God vs Satan in response to some of your statements.
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    21 Aug '05 15:49
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    Sorry, I do not assume anything, I apologize...please read the thread entitled God vs Satan in response to some of your statements.
    no apologies needed! If anything, an agnostic gets "pity" from
    theists, so vastly uncertain, poor guy. Like I care. One problem
    you cannot get around, suppose what you think of as a god is
    in fact only a very powerful alien with an attitude problem.
    How would you tell the differance? Seems to me just as likely a
    possiblity of that then a real god, who I cannot concieve doing the
    things you proported god does. An alien with an attitude fits the
    MO a lot better. So here is this alien, can make mountains fly,
    heal the sick, turn frogs into battleships, whatever. He/she/it comes
    down to earth, says I am the true lord and ye that follow me shall
    have everlasting life, of course this alien can do no such thing but
    it craves attention and likes gathering planets but you don't know
    all that. Of course where there is one powerfull alien there could
    be others not quite as strong trying to add their own crap to the
    mix so Alien #1 convinces us alien #2 is the devil and watch out for
    that one, it will cause you to burn in hell forever.....
    So if the situation was like that, just how would you in your earthly
    brain be able to see through the deception?
    Don't just give me, "I would feel it in my heart" kind of crap.
    Give me something objective here. How would you know the
    differance?
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    21 Aug '05 15:59
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    no apologies needed! If anything, an agnostic gets "pity" from
    theists, so vastly uncertain, poor guy. Like I care. One problem
    you cannot get around, suppose what you think of as a god is
    in fact only a very powerful alien with an attitude problem.
    How would you tell the differance? Seems to me just as likely a
    possiblity of that then a real god, ...[text shortened]... my heart" kind of crap.
    Give me something objective here. How would you know the
    differance?
    It depends...who gave us the bible?..alien 1 or 2 ?
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    21 Aug '05 16:011 edit
    clearly you couldn't. we are assuming here that this alien is so powerfull as to do all this telepathic talking to people and moving planets stuff, yes? then you couldn't.
    in fact there is, i think, only one way to tell, ie, that would all be impossible. from what we know of the universe, these things could not be done. one who does them would have to be un-natrual, 'supernatural, so either a god, deamon, sorcerer, etc.
    thats the best that can be given here, i think, for the rest is simply what is done with the power..
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    21 Aug '05 16:08
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Atheism has nothing to do with evolution. They're two completely different subjects. Not all atheists believe in evolution (although there tends to be a very high correlation), and large number of theists do believe in it.
    You mean there are actually athiests who believes in creation?
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    21 Aug '05 16:22
    Originally posted by flyUnity
    You mean there are actually athiests who believes in creation?
    No, of course not. There is a group (for example) called the Raelians who are atheists (they do not believe in god), but who think the world was created by aliens. I guess this could be considered a form of creationism, but it is an atheistic form. So there are atheists who do not believe in evolution.
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    21 Aug '05 17:13
    Originally posted by rwingett
    No, of course not. There is a group (for example) called the Raelians who are atheists (they do not believe in god), but who think the world was created by aliens. I guess this could be considered a form of creationism, but it is an atheistic form. So there are atheists who do not believe in evolution.
    I believe the Raelians credit an alien race for the creation of man, not that of the earth in general.
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    21 Aug '05 17:54
    Originally posted by David C
    I believe the Raelians credit an alien race for the creation of man, not that of the earth in general.
    Why limit it to just Earthmen or Earth. Why not the whole shooting
    match: the universe. Suppose god created "the" universe but this one
    isn't it, just a picture hanging on the gallery of the real universe,
    a 5 th dimensional snapshot created by a powerful alien in "The"
    universe and woking with the forces available on a multi-dimensional
    plane, cooked up our universe. If that were the truth and that truth
    be known to men, would you still worship it?
  15. Donationrwingett
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    21 Aug '05 17:57
    Originally posted by David C
    I believe the Raelians credit an alien race for the creation of man, not that of the earth in general.
    My mistake. I do not claim to be an expert on the Raelians. But that does not invalidate my point.
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