1. Standard memberRBHILL
    Acts 13:48
    California
    Joined
    21 May '03
    Moves
    223256
    23 Sep '14 21:11
    http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/pew-6-percent-atheists-and-agnostics-pray-every-day

    I heard now that atheist of 20% pray daily
  2. Subscribersonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    slatington, pa, usa
    Joined
    28 Dec '04
    Moves
    52613
    23 Sep '14 21:131 edit
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/pew-6-percent-atheists-and-agnostics-pray-every-day

    I heard now that atheist of 20% pray daily
    Next thing to ask is who or what they pray to. The FSM?

    Even if those numbers are correct it means 80% DON'T pray to anything or anyone.
  3. Standard memberwolfgang59
    Infidel
    Dunedin
    Joined
    09 Jun '07
    Moves
    45641
    23 Sep '14 22:44
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/pew-6-percent-atheists-and-agnostics-pray-every-day

    I heard now that atheist of 20% pray daily
    That is the dumbest statistic ever. Who on earth would believe that?

    It's like saying 20% of bald men use a hair brush.

    Or 20% of the profoundly deaf enjoy listening to the sea.

    In fact it is [i]less[/i[] believable than either!
  4. Standard memberDeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    Cosmopolis
    Joined
    27 Oct '04
    Moves
    78523
    24 Sep '14 01:29
    One wonders to whom? Possibly the respondents did not all understand quite what is meant by atheist. Alternatively an atheist might regard meditation as equivalent to prayer. They have atheists and agnostics lumped together which may explain some of this. It's perfectly logical for an agnostic to pray - they just don't know if anyone is listening.
  5. Joined
    24 Apr '10
    Moves
    14573
    24 Sep '14 06:32
    Obviously this means that all us atheists are in fact theists hiding from the god shaped hole in our hearts. And more specifically, we’re all Christians. The question is: why do we pretend differently?
  6. Joined
    26 Feb '09
    Moves
    1637
    24 Sep '14 07:11
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/pew-6-percent-atheists-and-agnostics-pray-every-day

    I heard now that atheist of 20% pray daily
    how could one call himself an atheist and pray? What would he pray to?
  7. Joined
    26 Feb '09
    Moves
    1637
    24 Sep '14 07:13
    Originally posted by Great King Rat
    Obviously this means that all us atheists are in fact theists hiding from the god shaped hole in our hearts. And more specifically, we’re all Christians. The question is: why do we pretend differently?
    Afraid of the silly Christian mockery i would guess.
  8. Standard membershavixmir
    Guppy poo
    Sewers of Holland
    Joined
    31 Jan '04
    Moves
    55254
    24 Sep '14 07:36
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/pew-6-percent-atheists-and-agnostics-pray-every-day

    I heard now that atheist of 20% pray daily
    So... yeah... who do they pray to?
  9. SubscriberSuzianne
    Misfit Queen
    Isle of Misfit Toys
    Joined
    08 Aug '03
    Moves
    35519
    24 Sep '14 14:562 edits
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/pew-6-percent-atheists-and-agnostics-pray-every-day

    I heard now that atheist of 20% pray daily
    Okay, since everyone is getting their knickers in a twist over this, let me try to explain these stats.

    First, the Pew Forum poll is from 2012, the latest year that they have stats for.

    The first number is correct, and can be found on page 52 of the PDF. 6% of those describing themselves as "Atheist OR Agnostic" say they "Pray Daily". 11% say they pray "Weekly or Monthly", while 82% say they pray "Seldom or Never". The only explanation I see is that this prayer activity must be the Agnostics and they are lumped in together with the Atheists.

    This next number is misrepresented. RBHILL says that "20% of atheists pray daily" is incorrect. Clearly, if only 6% of atheists AND agnostics pray daily, then 20% of atheists can not be praying every day.

    There is a section of those responding in the category of "Unaffiliated". This section is made up of all those who self-describe as Atheist, those who self-describe as Agnostic, and those who claim they are "Nothing in Particular", meaning they are not Atheist, not Agnostic, not Christian or other faith (and this is separate from those who answered "Don't Know" ).

    The Unaffiliated group is made up of all those who claim Atheist, Agnostic, or Nothing in Particular. Yes, they lump them together. They make up 19.6% of those responding. (2.4% were Atheist, 3.3% Agnostic and 16.9% Nothing in Particular.) (See page 13 of the PDF for this breakdown.)

    I might remind everyone that this "Nothing in Particular" group includes people like divegeester who claim to believe in God but has no affiliation with any particular religion.

    But back in the Executive Summary section, speaking of "the country’s 46 million unaffiliated adults", it says: "Two-thirds of them say they believe in God (68% ). More than half say they often feel a deep connection with nature and the earth (58% ), while more than a third classify themselves as “spiritual” but not “religious” (37% ), and one-in-five (21% ) say they pray every day."

    Speaking of the country's "Unaffiliated" respondents, they say that 21% say they pray every day. This is the source where RBHILL's erroneous statement that "20% of atheists pray daily" comes from. First of all, it's not 20%, it's 21% and secondly, it's not atheists, but "Unaffiliated Adults" which include "Atheist", "Agnostic" and "Nothing in Particular". Much of the PDF talks about these who responded "Nothing in Particular" and find that many of them are religious, it's just that they are Unaffiliated with a particular religion.

    So I correct RBHILL's statement that "20% of atheists pray daily" with "21% of Unaffiliated adults say they pray daily", which is something very different.

    Here's a direct link to the PDF: http://www.pewforum.org/files/2012/10/NonesOnTheRise-full.pdf
  10. Standard memberRBHILL
    Acts 13:48
    California
    Joined
    21 May '03
    Moves
    223256
    24 Sep '14 14:58
    Originally posted by Great King Rat
    Obviously this means that all us atheists are in fact theists hiding from the god shaped hole in our hearts. And more specifically, we’re all Christians. The question is: why do we pretend differently?
    There are probably some Muslims that have become atheist. So if they are praying they probably aren't Christians.
  11. Standard memberRBHILL
    Acts 13:48
    California
    Joined
    21 May '03
    Moves
    223256
    24 Sep '14 14:59
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    So... yeah... who do they pray to?
    Either Jesus or a dead god.
  12. Standard memberCalJust
    It is what it is
    Pretoria
    Joined
    20 Apr '04
    Moves
    34112
    24 Sep '14 15:572 edits
    I have heard many atheists pray, out loud and in public.

    Usually a very simple prayer, just "Oh, my God!", but normally with great emotion and heartfelt sincerity.

    So what's the big deal?
  13. Joined
    24 Apr '10
    Moves
    14573
    24 Sep '14 16:13
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    There are probably some Muslims that have become atheist. So if they are praying they probably aren't Christians.
    Oh come on, deep inside their heart everyone's a Christian. That fact that some don't dare to acknowledge this is beside the point.

    Christ is the way!
  14. Standard memberwolfgang59
    Infidel
    Dunedin
    Joined
    09 Jun '07
    Moves
    45641
    24 Sep '14 16:56
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    There are probably some Muslims that have become atheist. So if they are praying they probably aren't Christians.
    Muslim atheists ... they are the worst!
  15. Joined
    31 Aug '06
    Moves
    40565
    24 Sep '14 17:13
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    ...or a dead god.
    A god can die?
Back to Top