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    13 Dec '07 22:59
    "I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen; not only because I see it but because by it I see everything else"

    -C.S. Lewis

    After reading this quote I thought of one question. Is our reality shaped by our beliefs?
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    To a very small degree our sense processes - vision, hearing, touch, etc. - may be shaped or altered by our beliefs. Overwhelmingly, though, they're informed by - and reflect more or less accurately - the physical universe, which is NOT shaped by our beliefs.

    Our beliefs do affect our understanding of the world, but of course our beliefs ARE our understanding of the world. In general they don't change, to any great degree, our direct physical experience of the world.
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    13 Dec '07 23:11
    Originally posted by whodey
    "I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen; not only because I see it but because by it I see everything else"

    -C.S. Lewis

    After reading this quote I thought of one question. Is our reality shaped by our beliefs?
    I think that the more accurate our belief system is the more accurate our knowledge and understanding of reality becomes.
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    13 Dec '07 23:15
    Originally posted by whodey
    "I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen; not only because I see it but because by it I see everything else"

    -C.S. Lewis

    After reading this quote I thought of one question. Is our reality shaped by our beliefs?
    I think that the more accurate our knowledge and understanding of reality becomes the more accurate our belief system becomes.
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    13 Dec '07 23:23
    Originally posted by snowinscotland
    I think that the more accurate our knowledge and understanding of reality becomes the more accurate our belief system becomes.
    Agreed, the other way round is madness. If we allowed out beliefs to arbitrate our reality we'd be able to justify any action at all and be unable to say anything objective about the world. That is never going to work. It wouldn't surprise me if several of the more ardent theists here thought it would though.
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    13 Dec '07 23:23
    Originally posted by snowinscotland
    I think that the more accurate our knowledge and understanding of reality becomes the more accurate our belief system becomes.
    Good one!
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    13 Dec '07 23:29
    Originally posted by josephw
    Good one!
    😀
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    13 Dec '07 23:33
    Originally posted by whodey
    "I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen; not only because I see it but because by it I see everything else"

    -C.S. Lewis

    After reading this quote I thought of one question. Is our reality shaped by our beliefs?
    Your perception of reality is obviously shaped by your beliefs. But it doesn't mean that perception is accurate.
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    13 Dec '07 23:33
    Originally posted by Starrman
    Agreed, the other way round is madness. If we allowed out beliefs to arbitrate our reality we'd be able to justify any action at all and be unable to say anything objective about the world. That is never going to work. It wouldn't surprise me if several of the more ardent theists here thought it would though.
    Only if what you believe in isn't true.

    But I agree with you. We should judge reality objectively in order to have an accurate belief system.

    But objective truth was here before we were. So why on earth do we not reach the same conclusions about the existence of God?
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    13 Dec '07 23:35
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Your perception of reality is obviously shaped by your beliefs. But it doesn't mean that perception is accurate.
    Perception is just that. It's not necessarily reality.
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    13 Dec '07 23:46
    Originally posted by josephw
    Perception is just that. It's not necessarily reality.
    Whodey asked if our "reality" is shaped by our beliefs. My answer was to make a clear distinction between reality and perception. Reality exists independent from our perception.
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    13 Dec '07 23:53
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Whodey asked if our "reality" is shaped by our beliefs. My answer was to make a clear distinction between reality and perception. Reality exists independent from our perception.
    "Reality exists independent from our perception."

    Isn't that called objective truth?
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    13 Dec '07 23:58
    Originally posted by josephw
    "Reality exists independent from our perception."

    Isn't that called objective truth?
    It's a semantic issue. Depending on your philosophical framework, the term "truth" implies meaning. But the physical reality of the universe may simply exist, as fact, without meaning.
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    14 Dec '07 00:02
    Originally posted by darthmix
    It's a semantic issue. Depending on your philosophical framework, the term "truth" implies meaning. But the physical reality of the universe may simply exist, as fact, without meaning.
    "But the physical reality of the universe may simply exist, as fact, without meaning."

    Not if it were created.
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    Well, sure, but that's not at all settled.
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