Originally posted by divegeester
Very good, and thank for posting vistesd. I guess us Christians can rest assured that God doesn't really hate children after all.
You don't happen to have a similar fable about homosexuals by any chance do you?
No, no fables on that one; I do have some in depth exegesis of the Hebrew texts that I’m pulling together—short version: the Hebrew bible refers to (a) abusive relations of any kind, (b) homosexual relations (generally by otherwise heterosexual males) in the context of ritual idolatry, and (c) relationships that would be prohibited to heterosexuals as well (e.g., incestuous ones), but does not speak to homosexual relations in general (no reference to lesbian relations, no mention of what we would call a committed relationship between gays). There does appear to be a limited prohibition for priests (Levites/kohanim
), and perhaps in the land of Israel (aretz yisrael
), only. [Though the original Levitical texts were apparently amended/expanded in the time of Ezra the Scribe.]
That is the extremely short (much too short) version. Below is a link to a long version, with articles by several respected rabbis/scholars. It’s a lot to wade through, from a number of different angles(including Oral Torah), and I personally wouldn’t comment on it further until I’ve had a chance to assimilate it better, and compare it with other such work. Maybe, at some point, I would be willing to present a more thorough argument.
For those (whether Jews or Christians or Muslims) who are not willing to accept even the possibility that the original Hebrew texts, in the original language, contain no general condemnation of homosexuality, no amount of scholarship will matter. [I am aware that Christians and Muslims have other scriptures (i.e., the NT and the Quran, respectively; I won’t address them, but I have heard similar arguments for Paul’s statements in the original Greek—I really don’t recall them exactly though, and somebody else can dig into that. I am looking into the Oral Torah as much as I am able, given my somewhat limited resources.]
EDIT: No criticism is intended for people who are not interested in extended research or extended discourse in a given area. We all have our individual interests that we bring to the table, as well as our own styles of discourse (such as my usually overlong, overly detailed excursions . . . ).