Originally posted by FabianFnasI believe that a large proportion of the worlds Muslims are not native english speakers, which might partially explain it. But in my experience, none of the Muslims I know have really tried to directly evangelise to me, but then the vast majority of the Christians I know haven't either.
There are no muslim missionaries here at the Forums. Everywhere I find christian missonaries who want to save someone, trying to persuade people, or even threat people. But I rarely se any muslim missionaries here. Therfore muslims seems to be more agreable. They don't missionary everywhere.
Because we are talking about missionaries threadjackings, don't we?
There a not many Muslims on these forums, and I suspect that if there were more, we would meet a few missionaries.
Originally posted by twhiteheadThat's the evangelizing christians I don't like. Those who think their beliefs are better than anyones elses, even other christians' beliefs. They can go to hell, their hell preferably. I have never had any problems with missionaries of any other religions. The christian ones are like mosquitos.
I believe that a large proportion of the worlds Muslims are not native english speakers, which might partially explain it. But in my experience, none of the Muslims I know have really tried to directly evangelise to me, but then the vast majority of the Christians I know haven't either.
There a not many Muslims on these forums, and I suspect that if there were more, we would meet a few missionaries.
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Originally posted by FabianFnasI think any sane person should think that his beliefs are better than anyone elses (that is, anyone who thinks otherwise). I think the issue here is how rude they are when they state that fact and how strongly they push thier opinion that others should believe as they do.
Those who think their beliefs are better than anyones elses, even other christians' beliefs.
I think that generally we are more receptive to people who are also willing to listen to our opinions too. I get put off by evangelists who to all intents and purposes have thier hands over thier ears while they shout their message.
That kind of Christian is however in the minority, and I have had many discussions with reasonable Christians that were willing to listen to my opinions, and I in turn listen to thiers.
Originally posted by twhiteheadIf I think my opinions are so much better than yours, so much better so I find the world would be a better place if you also had my opinion, in fact so much better so I am willing to kill, and go to war for it, then my opinion is in fact worse than yours.
I think any sane person should think that his beliefs are better than anyone elses (that is, anyone who thinks otherwise). I think the issue here is how rude they are when they state that fact and how strongly they push thier opinion that others should believe as they do.
I think that generally we are more receptive to people who are also willing to l ...[text shortened]... easonable Christians that were willing to listen to my opinions, and I in turn listen to thiers.
To have an opinion, and at the same time give respect to other people whos opinions differ from mine, than you have a higher moral than others who don't give the same kind of respect to you.
Would the world be a better place if everyone was forced to have my opinion in every subject and every detail? I don't think so. I think the world, as it is, with many different ideas, philosofies, religions, and opinions is an interesting place to live in. If only not so many wars and conflicts is maintained because people don't respect eachother for "not thinking right".
I respect every person who respect other people. That's my motto, and I try to live up to it.
So many people are trying to make me believe in their way, not willing to listen on my beliefs. They say that I will go to hell if I don't shear their view... Pity...
Originally posted by FabianFnasYou are setting up an interesting paradox.
If I think my opinions are so much better than yours, so much better so I find the world would be a better place if you also had my opinion, in fact so much better so I am willing to kill, and go to war for it, then my opinion is in fact worse than yours.
To have an opinion, and at the same time give respect to other people whos opinions differ from mi ...[text shortened]... espect every person who respect other people. That's my motto, and I try to live up to it.
1. You believe that if someone thinks their opinions are better than anothers to a certain degree (as defined in your post) then their ideas are actually worse than the others.
2. We can conclude that you believe your opinions to be better than those of people in 1.
You believe the world would be a better place if everyone thought as you do ie that the world would be a better place if everyone did not force their opinions on others.
You respect other people but only those who respect other people. You dont really give quantities but it is concivable that you do not respect yourself, as there are some people you don't respect.
So many people are trying to make me believe in their way, not willing to listen on my beliefs. They say that I will go to hell if I don't shear their view... Pity...
I dont think that anyone claims you will go to hell for being unwilling to share their view, they think you will go to hell because they think that not doing certain things in life result in going to hell.
You believe that jumping off a tall building will result in death. You also believe that anyone who does not share your view (and jumps of a tall building) will die. Do you get the point?
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Originally posted by twhitehead"Do you get the point?" Actually, no.
You are setting up an interesting paradox.
1. You believe that if someone thinks their opinions are better than anothers to a certain degree (as defined in your post) then their ideas are actually worse than the others.
2. We can conclude that you believe your opinions to be better than those of people in 1.
You believe the world would be a better ne who does not share your view (and jumps of a tall building) will die. Do you get the point?
Perhaps the retorics behind is too intrinsic for my lack of linguistics.
"I respect every person who respect other people." I try to live with this motto. I have friends who have opposite opinions compared to mine in some very important questions. They can have these opinions, I don't mind, it takes all sorts of people in a world shared with 6 billion people, it brings a more interested world. I respect him, because he respect my opinions. We can discuss them from his voew, and from my view, and we compare opinions and we laugh together about it. We don't argue whether his påinions are the right or mine are. We don't try to convinse eachother. We respect eachother. And I like him as a dear friend. We are in balance.
But in the very minute he says that his ideas are superior to mine, and he is willing to get into a fight for it, trying to force me into his views, then I cannot further respect his views, because he doesn't respect mine. The balance will not be there anymore.
I think that many wars around the world can be avoided if we start to respect eachother, despite we have different views in important questions. I do actually think we can have a better world with this kind of respect.
These are my opinions. You can have your opinions, even if they differs from mine, it's okay by me. You don't have to adopt my views, and I hope not you are trying to convince me of your ideas superiority.
But, and this is important, if I find your opinion good, better than mine, I take my right to change my opinion to yours. Is this okay by you?
Originally posted by FabianFnasBut you do not respect my opinion at all, if my opinion fits into certain categories (as you noted in your post).
These are my opinions. You can have your opinions, even if they differs from mine, it's okay by me. You don't have to adopt my views, and I hope not you are trying to convince me of your ideas superiority.
Further you consider your opinion in that matter to be superior to anyone else who disagrees on the matter and you are not particularly polite in saying so.
I generally agree with you, I just wanted to point out that differences of opinion cannot always be so easily reconciled, and to claim that people must respect others opinions is an opinion too.
Originally posted by twhiteheadThere is a difference between respecting you as a person, and respecting your opinion.
But you do not respect my opinion at all, if my opinion fits into certain categories (as you noted in your post).
Further you consider your opinion in that matter to be superior to anyone else who disagrees on the matter and you are not particularly polite in saying so.
I generally agree with you, I just wanted to point out that differences of opinion ...[text shortened]... e so easily reconciled, and to claim that people must respect others opinions is an opinion too.
I don't know you so this discussion must be about some opinion.
What opinion do you have that you don't feel that I don't respect?