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    09 Oct '11 10:05
    My Dear Dasa:

    Krishna was acting as charioteer for Arjuna, when the greatest war of the world was raging. There Arjuna felt dismayed and horrified; the thought of pity and mercy overwhelmed him. Then this hero trembled and quivered; he was overpowered with the thought of mercy. Krishna the incarnation of God, Krishna the greatest man that was ever born, Krishna the Christ of the universe, not only of India, Krishna spoke to Arjuna and told him that this body he was not, this personality he was not, the true actor was the Divinity; Krishna told him that it was the Divinity acting through his body. There Krishna spoke to him and awakened in him God-consciousness, told him plainly what in reality he was, brought him out of fear, brought him out of anxiety and weakness. He told him that his real Self was imperishable the same yesterday, today and forever, that it was incapable of change, that it was immutable and unchangeable, and said to him, “Arjuna, you cannot die. Remove any of the.se bodies and they themselves never die. You never die; and even if you do not realize the whole truth and are confined within the four walls of transmigration, even then realize that it is not your personality nor theirs which is reality; realize the true Self that is God, and that never dies. Why should you shake and tremble? See what your present duty is; if your present duty of the world is to kill all these men, then kill them.”Krishna tells him, “I am the God of gods, the Light of lights and am I not destroying every second millions upon millions of birds and animals, am I not hurling them into nothingness? Here am I, Nature, God, Providence, ever doing these things, yet I am always Immaculate and untainted. God kills, yet is God to blame? No, God is still pure”. Now Krishna says to Arjuna, “If you realize the Truth, if you become one with God, if you realize your True Self, then your body becomes simply an instrument of Divinity. In the name of justice, duty, truth and right, if your body kills and destroys millions upon millions, you are pure, you are intact, you are untainted.”

    Such truth has to be realized by the people, but Rama should not refrain from speaking the truth whether you can realize it or not.

    That was Vedanta, which did not hesitate to destroy men, even the nearest and dearest relatives of Arjuna, who were his preceptors, his uncles, his brothers and others. Vedanta says that by killing, Arjuna was not tainted. Then how can Vedanta hesitate in killing goats or sheep, oxen or any animals? Yet Vedanta tells you to abstain from meat entirely on other grounds.

    Meat-eating puts you in a state or condition where you are not able to concentrate the mind easily. If you cannot abstain from meat-eating, if you cannot overcome the habit, then Vedanta says, “Have it; don’t give it up”. Different kinds of food produce different effects. If a man drinks wine, he becomes intoxicated; if a man takes opium, does it not produce a particular kind of effect; a man takes arsenic and it produces a particular kind of effect; so a particular kind of food produces a particular effect, and so does meat. The effect which meat produces on the body is not the effect which the students of Religion require.

    If you are a warrior or a person whose duties are active, then Vedanta says that you must eat meat as you require it and you must not live entirely on vegetable diet. As to other vocations, Rama says that you must try it on your own systems. Some can do better, others worse, without it. The plan of nature is that the fittest must survive. Here we see big whales advance; they survive, and in order to make them survive, nature wishes them to live on small fish. Thousands upon thousands of small fish must perish but the big type must live on; it is the plan of nature. Thus we see in the mineral kingdom, that the earth, the soil perishes, and the vegetable kingdom survives; the vegetables feed upon the soil. Again, in order that animals should survive, vegetables must perish, must be consumed; animals must feed upon vegetables, it is the plan of Nature. It is the plan of Nature that man, the highest type, must live on animals which must serve his purpose: it is the plan of Nature. Rama does not mean to eat animals but to use them; animals must serve man; then we see in the ordinary man of the world, the higher naturally go on advancing. When widespread wars and diseases come, the lower and weaker natures die for the sake of the higher ones; that is the plan of Nature. This Law governs the universe.

    http://ramatirtha.com/vedantic-idea-of-eating-meat

    Your talk about knowing your own religion is baseless. You don't even know the words of Krsna.

    I pity you so much that, in his words, "I should kill you", my friend. 😀

    Of course, I rise above that crap and those sheity words...

    Eat a veal sausage, become a Krsna soldier and fight on.

    Veal sausages are scrumptious, by the way!!! Jing Jing.

    -m. 😉
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    09 Oct '11 13:012 edits
    Originally posted by mikelom
    My Dear Dasa:

    Krishna was acting as charioteer for Arjuna, when the greatest war of the world was raging. There Arjuna felt dismayed and horrified; the thought of pity and mercy overwhelmed him. Then this hero trembled and quivered; he was overpowered with the thought of mercy. Krishna the incarnation of God, Krishna the greatest man that was ever born, na soldier and fight on.

    Veal sausages are scrumptious, by the way!!! Jing Jing.

    -m. 😉
    *The Bhagavad Gita you have quoted from is not authorized.* and would not use that Bhagavad Gita ever again if I were you for your information - otherwise you will be misinformed.

    Its wonderful to hear the pastimes of Krsna and Arjuna - I can never tire from hearing. ....thankyou.

    It is true that the Katriyas (warriors) can eat meat to keep up their superhuman strength - but their are rules they must follow and they must kill the tiger with their bear hands and only with a dagger- and they never ever ever killed the cow even if they are starving..

    Of course while the Katriyas could have permission to do this - the rest of society was ordered to not eat meat and follow religious principles.

    The battle of Kurusetra was a transcendental war and not a mundane war and it was fought for religious principles - and therefore to maintain religious principles then if millions are to die then all is well. - but to have a war over economics is never sanctioned.

    Your comments above state quote "The effects that meat has on the body and mind is not the effect that the student of religion requires" end quote......so this clearly tells us that if we want to advance on the spiritual path them meat eating must stop.

    Anyhow war is never sanctioned unless it is a "righteous war" to protect and uphold religious principles.

    Persons who are serious about advancing in their religious life do not even kill an ant - if it can be avoided.

    True religion allows the student to see the sanctity of all life and of all creatures and if one kills indiscriminately then you can know they have not advanced spiritually and have a long way to go..
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    09 Oct '11 13:16
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Its wonderful to hear the pastimes of Krsna and Arjuna - I can never tire from hearing. ....thankyou.

    It is true that the Katriyas (warriors) can eat meat to keep up their superhuman strength - but their are rules they must follow and they must kill the tiger with their bear hand and only with a dagger- and they never ever ever killed the cow even if they a ...[text shortened]... criminately then you can know they have not advanced spiritually and have a long way to go..
    I forget the originator or precise wording of the following but...

    To kill once is murder.
    To kill tens is a rampage.
    To kill millions is religion
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    09 Oct '11 13:18
    Originally posted by Agerg
    I forget the originator or precise wording of the following but...

    To kill once is murder.
    To kill tens is a rampage.
    To kill millions is religion
    Or small pox....

    Let me see what put a stop to that scourge on humanity was it prayer or science I forget.....
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    09 Oct '11 13:221 edit
    Originally posted by Agerg
    I forget the originator or precise wording of the following but...

    To kill once is murder.
    To kill tens is a rampage.
    To kill millions is religion
    Or just one decent sized scientifically designed nuclear warhead...
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    09 Oct '11 13:273 edits
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Or just one decent sized scientifically designed nuclear warhead...
    For which, if I'm not mistaken, the only such weapons deployed against humans so far were by a Southern Baptist named Harry S. Truman...Just saying!
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    09 Oct '11 13:30
    Originally posted by Agerg
    I forget the originator or precise wording of the following but...

    To kill once is murder.
    To kill tens is a rampage.
    To kill millions is religion
    War to uphold "True" religious principles is acceptable.

    War by FALSE religion over party politics is condemned.
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    09 Oct '11 13:34
    Originally posted by Dasa
    War to uphold "True" religious principles is acceptable.

    War by FALSE religion over party politics is condemned.
    So would say the fanatical adherents of every "True religion"
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    09 Oct '11 13:49
    Originally posted by Agerg
    For which, if I'm not mistaken, the only such weapons deployed against humans so far were by a Southern Baptist named Harry S. Truman...Just saying!
    Yes, and he was seen on the White House terrace in a Wesleyan styled loin-cloth, Bible in hand screaming hallelujah the evil nips flesh is a burning tonight after pressing the crucifix shaped proverbial button. 🙄
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    09 Oct '11 13:50
    Originally posted by Dasa
    War to uphold "True" religious principles is acceptable.

    War by FALSE religion over party politics is condemned.
    You are well out of your returning troll user nut-case comfort zone here dasa-boy.
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    09 Oct '11 13:551 edit
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Yes, and he was seen on the White House terrace in a Wesleyan styled loin-cloth, Bible in hand screaming hallelujah the evil nips flesh is a burning tonight after pressing the crucifix shaped proverbial button. 🙄
    Well I'm assuming that any moral tension in committing hundreds of thousands to their death in such way was eased in his mind by the belief "God" will sort them out when they reach the "pearly gates" or whatever.
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    09 Oct '11 13:59
    Originally posted by Agerg
    So would say the fanatical adherents of every "True religion"
    There is only one true religion.
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    09 Oct '11 14:03
    Originally posted by Dasa
    There is only one true religion.
    So says every adherent of each "True religion" 😞
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    09 Oct '11 15:07
    Originally posted by Agerg
    For which, if I'm not mistaken, the only such weapons deployed against humans so far were by a Southern Baptist named Harry S. Truman...Just saying!
    Hooray! for him.
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    09 Oct '11 15:10
    Originally posted by Agerg
    Well I'm assuming that any moral tension in committing hundreds of thousands to their death in such way was eased in his mind by the belief "God" will sort them out when they reach the "pearly gates" or whatever.
    Of course, wasn't he doing the Lord's work?
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