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Originally posted by EcstremeVenom"Absolute truth" is defined as inflexible reality: fixed, invariable, unalterable facts. For example, it is a fixed, invariable, unalterable fact that there are absolutely no square circles and there are absolutely no round squares.
what is absolute truth?
Absolute Truth vs. Relativism
While absolute truth is a logical necessity, there are some religious orientations (atheistic humanists, for example) who argue against the existence of absolute truth. Humanism's exclusion of God necessitates moral relativism. Humanist John Dewey (1859-1952), co-author and signer of the Humanist Manifesto 1 (1933), declared, "There is no God and there is no soul. Hence, there are no needs for the props of traditional religion. With dogma and creed excluded, then immutable truth is also dead and buried. There is no room for fixed, natural law or moral absolutes." Humanists believe one should do, as one feels is right.
http://www.absolute--truth.com/
Originally posted by dj2beckeri believe in god but not absolute truth
"Absolute truth" is defined as inflexible reality: fixed, invariable, unalterable facts. For example, it is a fixed, invariable, unalterable fact that there are absolutely no square circles and there are absolutely no round squares.
Absolute Truth vs. Relativism
While absolute truth is a logical necessity, there are some religious orientations (atheis ...[text shortened]... Humanists believe one should do, as one feels is right.
http://www.absolute--truth.com/
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemMaybe I should rephrase what I'm saying to make it more clear. It's not that He can't sin period. He won't sin because He chooses not to. He possesses the ability, but in order for Him to remain the perfect God that He is, He is obliged not to sin.
Sorry, but this means I possess an ability that God lacks. It's hard to think of a being as omnipotent when I can do something that he can't.
Originally posted by ngeisler88But sin has been defined as "being away from God". How can God do that? Surely, everything he does is right by definition.
Maybe I should rephrase what I'm saying to make it more clear. It's not that He can't sin period. He won't sin because He chooses not to. He possesses the ability, but in order for Him to remain the perfect God that He is, He is obliged not to sin.
Originally posted by ngeisler88I couldn't find the two fallacies you describe in this list of logical fallacies:
Before you boost up your self-confidence too much, heres 2 fallacies you are committing in your argument:
1) You are comparing the finite with the infinite, the natural with the supernatural.
2) You are saying that because I have the potential to do anything in your nature you therefore automatically have the ability to do anything.
Let me explain: ...[text shortened]... .
I'm finished now. Please present a logical defense, if you have one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy
Can you clarify what the formal name of those two fallacies is so I can look them up?
Originally posted by dj2beckerYou appear to have got confused between relative and absolute morals, and absolute and relative truths. For example, the value of pi is 3.14..... and never ends, there is nothing either moral or amoral about that; however, it is absolutely true.
"Absolute truth" is defined as inflexible reality: fixed, invariable, unalterable facts. For example, it is a fixed, invariable, unalterable fact that there are absolutely no square circles and there are absolutely no round squares.
Absolute Truth vs. Relativism
While absolute truth is a logical necessity, there are some religious orientations (atheis ...[text shortened]... Humanists believe one should do, as one feels is right.
http://www.absolute--truth.com/
Why does the article single out atheists, I wonder? Perhaps pi has a different value for christians?
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Originally posted by scottishinnzYou appear to have got confused between relative and absolute morals, and absolute and relative truths.
You appear to have got confused between relative and absolute morals, and absolute and relative truths. For example, the value of pi is 3.14..... and never ends, there is nothing either moral or amoral about that; however, it is absolutely true.
Why does the article single out atheists, I wonder? Perhaps pi has a different value for christians?
So who decides which morals are absolute and which morals are relative, and which truths are absolute and which truths are relative?
In order to do this you need an absolute point of reference. What is yours?
For example, the value of pi is 3.14..... and never ends, there is nothing either moral or amoral about that; however, it is absolutely true.
How can you know that something is absolutely true if you do not have an absolute point of reference?
Why does the article single out atheists, I wonder? Perhaps pi has a different value for christians?
No. Because Atheists do not have an absolute point of reference when it comes to morality. You brought pi into the discussion.
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Originally posted by BigDoggProblemI contend that God chooses not to lie.
No. Of course not.
(And since I can guess where you're going with this...)
Your website, however, claimed that God [b]is not able to lie, which is a very different thing from choosing not to tell a lie.[/b]