True virtue is doing the right thing even when...

Originally posted by @sonship
The difference is that with the Christian world view there is a final judgment - divine enforcement. With the atheist / naturalist worldview there is none.

So when you say The saved get to be forgiven of every sin they ever committed that is the "final judgment - divine enforcement"?

Originally posted by @fmf
So if a person who declares themselves to be "saved" but does remain the same kind of person [in terms of "sinning"] as he or she was before being "saved", it can be undone by "God"?

Declaring yourself saved doesn’t make you saved. See John 3:16 and Romans 10:9.

Originally posted by @fmf
So if a person who declares themselves to be "saved" but does remain the same kind of person [in terms of "sinning"] as he or she was before being "saved", it can be undone by "God"?

But when one is saved (as opposed to just "declaring" it unilaterally), they are no longer the same person.

Originally posted by @suzianne
But when one is saved (as opposed to just "declaring" it unilaterally), they are no longer the same person.

Evidence of this [in terms of "sinning"]?

Originally posted by @fmf
Evidence of this [in terms of "sinning"]?

“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”

(2 Corinthians 5:17-21)