08 May 23
I summarize :
1. Christianity is a joke. This has earned him the title of 'God Hater' from the Christian community. He says this because the many leaders in Christian churches have simply ignored the bible teachings, and gone along with popular opinion. One eg, gay rights and marriage.
2. Follow the commandments of God. There is no peace in your heart until you do. A man can have all the material things and all worldly success, but only when he chooses to stop lying, cheating, deceiving and doing evil things, and help others [ie practice generosity] will he be truly happy and at peace.
Clearly the man is not a God hater, and is speaking the truth in both examples. It is just a human weakness to default to the claim of victimization or being hated, when your flaws are pointed out. In fact he is promoting obedience to the commandments, just like Jesus did and which churches often fail to do.
08 May 23
@rajk999 saidSo Christianity is "a joke" because many "leaders in Christian churches" fail to teach the Bible?
I summarize :
1. Christianity is a joke. This has earned him the title of 'God Hater' from the Christian community. He says this because the many leaders in Christian churches have simply ignored the bible teachings, and gone along with popular opinion. One eg, gay rights and marriage.
2. Follow the commandments of God. There is no peace in your heart until you do. A ...[text shortened]... s promoting obedience to the commandments, just like Jesus did and which churches often fail to do.
Throw the baby out with the bath water.
It is meaningless to "follow the commandments" unless and until one is saved.
Salvation is of God. It cannot be earned or obtained by following the Commandments.
Following the Commandments is humanly impossible. Break one and you're guilty of all, and all are guilty.
Absolutely no one can follow the Commandments perfectly.
To be truly free of sin and guilt one must turn to Christ's shed blood on the cross. Only then can one experience the peace of God.
Luke 18
Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
@josephw saidSo Christianity is "a joke" because many "leaders in Christian churches" fail to teach the Bible? Throw the baby out with the bath water.
So Christianity is "a joke" because many "leaders in Christian churches" fail to teach the Bible?
Throw the baby out with the bath water.
It is meaningless to "follow the commandments" unless and until one is saved.
Salvation is of God. It cannot be earned or obtained by following the Commandments.
Following the Commandments is humanly impossible. Break one and yo ...[text shortened]... for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
You misunderstood the man. The bath water is the church, their crooked leaders and their wrong teachings. Throw them out. The baby is the Christ... Keep the teachings of Christ which is obedience to the commandments ie Live righteously, do good works and be charitable.
It is meaningless to "follow the commandments" unless and until one is saved.
Neither the Bible nor Jesus Christ said any such thing
Salvation is of God. It cannot be earned or obtained by following the Commandments.
Salvation is of Christ [God delegated that responsibility to His Son Jesus Christ], who said clearly that it is only those who keep the commandments enter the Kingdom of God
Following the Commandments is humanly impossible. Break one and you're guilty of all, and all are guilty.
Jesus said no such rubbish. That is pure church baloney. This is why the wise [Like Andrew Tate and many others] avoid the church.
Absolutely no one can follow the Commandments perfectly.
Irrelevant
To be truly free of sin and guilt one must turn to Christ's shed blood on the cross. Only then can one experience the peace of God.
All of mankind received the free gift of justification through Christ's shed blood on the cross. All of mankind can experience the peace of God.
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. (Romans 5:18 KJV)
..for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
The only people who exault themselves are Christians. Most other people are humble and try to keep the teachings of Christ.
@josephw saidYou have slipped the idea of whether or not it is done "perfectly" into the notion of trying to follow Jesus's commandments? Why?
Following the Commandments is humanly impossible. Break one and you're guilty of all, and all are guilty. Absolutely no one can follow the Commandments perfectly.
09 May 23
@fmf saidThe man aligned himself to a church which has discarded the teachings of Christ, so men like Andrew Tate that see through their rubbish doctrine and point this out is the enemy.
Tate is clearly differentiating between what he describes as "Christianity" on one hand, and followers of Jesus and those who follow his commandments on the other.
@Rajk999
Is this your hero Rajk?
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/andrew-tate-empire-real-story-1234696706/
"ANDREW TATE HAD a plan. It was late January, and he sat in a stark jail cell in a bland, four-story police structure in Bucharest, Romania. He’d been there since Dec. 29, detained on suspicion of organized crime, rape, and human trafficking. Andrew and his brother, Tristan, were escorted there handcuffed by Romanian officers after a raid on their home months earlier."
Here's more.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/06/andrew-tate-violent-misogynistic-world-of-tiktok-new-star
The man's a cad, and he informs you to your own destruction.
@josephw saidFirst ... Whats a cad? Computer Aided Design? Try not to use your home-boy slangs in a worldwide public forum. Seems like your vocabulary is too limited to think of proper words.
@Rajk999
Is this your hero Rajk?
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/andrew-tate-empire-real-story-1234696706/
"ANDREW TATE HAD a plan. It was late January, and he sat in a stark jail cell in a bland, four-story police structure in Bucharest, Romania. He’d been there since Dec. 29, detained on suspicion of organized crime, rape, and human traffickin ...[text shortened]... isogynistic-world-of-tiktok-new-star
The man's a cad, and he informs you to your own destruction.
Anyway the mans personal life and issues has no bearing on anything. I know you Americans idolize people and place them on pedestals until they act human and when they do something amiss and then they become nothing. I posted a couple of things he said. Those things I posted are spot on. You failed to defend your stance. Seems like the man has far more gumption than you do.
Here is another one ... while you church fanatics sleep, the US govt is making laws which allow schools to encourage kids as young as 6 yrs to have sex-changes, and other things, without the consent of the parents. Andrew Tate spoke against this horrendous practice.
What you think of that? Are you supporting the govt?
09 May 23
@josephw saidWhere did Rajk999 claim Tate is his "hero"? I have contempt for much of what Tate says and does, but his comments about Christianity raise an issue worth discussing. Perhaps that is why you are playing the men [Rajk999 and Andrew Tate] and not the ball.
Is this your hero Rajk?
10 May 23
@rajk999 saidYou don't know what a cad is and you don't know Tate.
First ... Whats a cad? Computer Aided Design? Try not to use your home-boy slangs in a worldwide public forum. Seems like your vocabulary is too limited to think of proper words.
Anyway the mans personal life and issues has no bearing on anything. I know you Americans idolize people and place them on pedestals until they act human and when they do something amiss and th ...[text shortened]... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TABaUlOnUzY
What you think of that? Are you supporting the govt?
Then you wind bag your way through the rest of your post and think you're relevant to a society you've never experienced personally.
You're not worth discussing the weather with.
10 May 23
@fmf said28 years a Christian, a meaningless claim, and you don't understand the basic fundamentals of salvation much less the rudimentary exegesis of a simple text.
Where did Jesus say this?
But you think you know it all.
24/7/365 for over 15 years laying out the same claptrap.
2 Timothy 3:7 is for you.
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.