Virgin ( I say this with sarcasm) Mary

Originally posted by RJHinds
I think the fact that my statement is true makes it true.

This is a nice circular argument.

My side has evidence... yours doesn't.

Unless you are actually going to enter into a proper discussion about evolution
continuing the argument from this point would seem pointless.

Originally posted by RJHinds
On case was preventing a valdictorian from a High School from mentioning
anything about Jesus in the speech.

Yes, because in a public school that is attended by people who may or may not even be theists let alone the particular brand of theist the valadictorian belonged to.

How would you feel if the students or teachers started the event by saying a prayer to Allah?

You are free to exercise your religion, not impose it on others.

Have a listen to this discussion of the subject.

http://www.nonprophetsradio.com/audio/The%20Non-Prophets%2010.12.mp3

It deals with the issue directly, and shows you what it looks like from the other side.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Yes, because in a public school that is attended by people who may or may not even be theists let alone the particular brand of theist the valadictorian belonged to.

How would you feel if the students or teachers started the event by saying a prayer to Allah?

You are free to exercise your religion, not impose it on others.

Have a listen to this ...[text shortened]... 2.mp3

It deals with the issue directly, and shows you what it looks like from the other side.

He was valdictorian and had a right to give a speech. He was not saying a
prayer or imposing anything, only making a statement about how his faith
in Jesus influenced him,

Originally posted by RJHinds
He was valdictorian and had a right to give a speech. He was not saying a
prayer or imposing anything, only making a statement about how his faith
in Jesus influenced him,

Listen to the podcast, hear the argument from the other side of the isle.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Listen to the podcast, hear the argument from the other side of the isle.

I tried to bring it up twice, but it would not work. Perhaps the Holy Spirit
is protecting me from false teachings.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I tried to bring it up twice, but it would not work. Perhaps the Holy Spirit
is protecting me from false teachings.

Are your beliefs that fragile?

It's working for me, maybe you don't have the right plugins or your security settings might be killing it.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Are your beliefs that fragile?

It's working for me, maybe you don't have the right plugins or your security settings might be killing it.

I am listening to music at the same time as I am on this site. Do you
think that could cause problems?

P.S. On itunes

Originally posted by RJHinds
I am listening to music at the same time as I am on this site. Do you
think that could cause problems?

P.S. On itunes

Well its possible, listening to music while trying to listen to people speaking is not
going to work well anyhow.

There is no rush for you to listen now, I just think if you feel strongly about the
issue you should listen to the views of fellow countrymen (fellow Texans no less)
who disagree, and do so in an articulate and well thought out manner.


Of course in this country we have no separation of church and state.
In fact we have a state religion, C of E.
Yet somehow we have much less problems of this sort than you do in America.
We're generally much more laid back about it.

That said, the occasional prayers I came across in assemblies and school ceremonies
were discomforting to sit through as a non-theist.
I imagine they were even less fun for differently religious people.


And one thing I really would like to ditch is the bishops in the house of lords.
Only country apart from Iran that has unelected religious leaders in government.
That aggravates me no end.

Fortunately that are a pretty tiny 'power block' of no real relevance but they still
shouldn't be there.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Well its possible, listening to music while trying to listen to people speaking is not
going to work well anyhow.

There is no rush for you to listen now, I just think if you feel strongly about the
issue you should listen to the views of fellow countrymen (fellow Texans no less)
who disagree, and do so in an articulate and well thought out manner ...[text shortened]... hat are a pretty tiny 'power block' of no real relevance but they still
shouldn't be there.

Sounds interesting. I will try again after supper.

Originally posted by tomtom232
How was it predicted? Nowhere in the old testament does it say that a woman named Mary would give birth to a boy named Jesus in fact it states that he shall be called Emanuel not Jesus.

I tried looking for it online, but isn't Emanuel his name in Hebrew and Jesus his name in English?

Originally posted by RBHILL
I tried looking for it online, but isn't Emanuel his name in Hebrew and Jesus his name in English?

Jesus is derived from the English transliteration of the Greek version of
the Hebrew name Yahshua. If transliterated to English directly from
Hebrew, we would have Jahshua or Joshua. It means "Yah saves." Yah
is the name of God given to Moses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transliteration

Immanuel means "God with us". Jesus is called God with us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel

Originally posted by RJHinds
Sounds interesting. I will try again after supper.

Have you got around to this? and if so, what is your reaction?

Originally posted by googlefudge
Have you got around to this? and if so, what is your reaction?

I got about halfway through and went to sleep.
I tried again and went to sleep again.
But what I heard is different from the example I gave.
However, like I said I never was able to stay awake to
hear the whole program. And I got on other subjects
since then.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I got about halfway through and went to sleep.
I tried again and went to sleep again.
But what I heard is different from the example I gave.
However, like I said I never was able to stay awake to
hear the whole program. And I got on other subjects
since then.

Well the two interviews with people from schools was in the first half...
Did you stay awake long enough to form any opinion or is it all just a blank?

No problem if it is, I understand that you have commitments in RL that probably leave you quite tired.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Well the two interviews with people from schools was in the first half...
Did you stay awake long enough to form any opinion or is it all just a blank?

No problem if it is, I understand that you have commitments in RL that probably leave you quite tired.

It is rather vague to me, now. But I don't recall having in major
problem with anything I heard.