virginia tech and determinism

Originally posted by twhitehead
Sounds like "good slave" mentality. "Oh thank you master for not whipping me like you whipped all the other slaves today. You are such a good, good master".

We are all slaves to a master.

Originally posted by Coletti
The clay is in no position to complain. If I have a lump of clay, I can make it into an ashtray or a vase or a piss-pot. I can make it into whatever I want. I have no obligation to make all my clay into pretty flower pots.

But you don't expect them to worship you, neither I suspect will you subject them to eternal torment if they don't comply.

Actually, this starts to make hitler sound like a nice guy by comparison.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
But you don't expect them to worship you, neither I suspect will you subject them to eternal torment if they don't comply.

Actually, this starts to make hitler sound like a nice guy by comparison.

Analogies are limited in application. The point was - who are we to complain? God, the Almighty and Creator of the whole universe decided to make us out of the dust of the earth. What gives us the right to criticize God? It's hubris on an infinite scale to whine at God for making the world as He has. It's the clay complaining to the potter.

Originally posted by Coletti
Analogies are limited in application. The point was - who are we to complain? God, the Almighty and Creator of the whole universe decided to make us out of the dust of the earth. What gives us the right to criticize God? It's hubris on an infinite scale to whine at God for making the world as He has. It's the clay complaining to the potter.

What a load of crap. Of course we have the right to complain. What you are saying is analogous to supporting child abuse, because what right does the child have to complain at being sexually exploited by their father?

Originally posted by scottishinnz
What a load of crap. Of course we have the right to complain. What you are saying is analogous to supporting child abuse, because what right does the child have to complain at being sexually exploited by their father?

What do you think you are complaining about, that you are the way
you are by your choice? A child being attacked by another is different,
but the way you are is simply that, the way you are.
Kelly

Originally posted by scottishinnz
What a load of crap. Of course we have the right to complain. What you are saying is analogous to supporting child abuse, because what right does the child have to complain at being sexually exploited by their father?

Nope. My child is not something I have created and can do with any way I want. My child is also a fellow human being. But God created us and formed us. We are not little gods or even close to being little gods.

You don't like my analogy - that's fine. The analogy still works as intended - and still coveys the truth of our situation. We do not have any right to complain. You want that right, but you don't have it. For you to have any right to complain, you'd have to be a god, with the knowledge of a god, and the wisdom, and the ability to judge as a god. You either think too highly of yourself, or your image of God is too small.

Originally posted by Coletti
Nope. My child is not something I have created and can do with any way I want. My child is also a fellow human being. But God created us and formed us. We are not little gods or even close to being little gods.

You don't like my analogy - that's fine. The analogy still works as intended - and still coveys the truth of our situation. We do not have judge as a god. You either think too highly of yourself, or your image of God is too small.

Oh, what snivelling! God gave you a mouth to complain, didn't he? If he didn't want people complaining, he could have
a) just created them to be happy
b) made a better job on the planet, I mean what was he thinking with AIDS?
c) removed all penalties for complaining, I mean, can't he take a little criticism.


This God of yours sounds like a whiner who can't take criticism.

[edit; as for your child not being your creation, well, you do know where babies come from, right?]

Originally posted by KellyJay
What do you think you are complaining about, that you are the way
you are by your choice? A child being attacked by another is different,
but the way you are is simply that, the way you are.
Kelly

No, I'm simply saying, if there is a God, that we of course have a right to complain.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
Oh, what snivelling! God gave you a mouth to complain, didn't he? If he didn't want people complaining, he could have
a) just created them to be happy
b) made a better job on the planet, I mean what was he thinking with AIDS?
c) removed all penalties for complaining, I mean, can't he take a little criticism.


This God of yours sounds like a wh ...[text shortened]... as for your child not being your creation, well, you do know where babies come from, right?]

You seem to be under the impression that God owes you something. I think you have things completely backward.

Nope. 🙂

Originally posted by scottishinnz
No, I'm simply saying, if there is a God, that we of course have a right to complain.

Why?

Originally posted by Coletti
You seem to be under the impression that God owes you something. I think you have things completely backward.

Nope. 🙂

are children not owed an upbringing from their parents?

Originally posted by Coletti
Why?

why not?

Originally posted by scottishinnz
No, I'm simply saying, if there is a God, that we of course have a right to complain.

I'm asking again, what are you complaining about, to God I guess
I'm asking about. It seems to me that the things we complain most
about are those things we do, which makes complaining to God about
our choices some what, well not wise. You have the ability to do a lot
of things, not all of them you have the right to do.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'm asking again, what are you complaining about, to God I guess
I'm asking about. It seems to me that the things we complain most
about are those things we do, which makes complaining to God about
our choices some what, well not wise. You have the ability to do a lot
of things, not all of them you have the right to do.
Kelly

Oh, how will disease, suffering and poverty do for a start?

Originally posted by scottishinnz
why not?

I've given the answer to "why not".

You have merely said "of course we have the right".

Why do we have the right?