1. Standard memberBosse de Nage
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    30 Jan '09 07:20
    "Am I my brother's keeper?"

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    30 Jan '09 08:36
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    "Am I my brother's keeper?"

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    this sentence was not sincere in my opinion. he is not being objective, he is scared of the consequences of an action that he suspects would kinda piss God off. so he is trying to make excuses. therefore my guess is that he is not.


    nice topic btw. this one will probably be over soon though(unless people can think of other arguments).
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    30 Jan '09 10:17
    How old was Cain when he uttered these words?
    5 years of age? Fifteen? 25, or 55, or even 155 years of age?
    It has some significance...
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    30 Jan '09 10:25
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    How old was Cain when he uttered these words?
    5 years of age? Fifteen? 25, or 55, or even 155 years of age?
    It has some significance...
    He said those words after murdering his brother. What's your best guess at how old he was?
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    30 Jan '09 16:32
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    "Am I my brother's keeper?"

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    You are if you kill him.
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    30 Jan '09 17:24
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    "Am I my brother's keeper?"

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    In an ideal way I think you should try to be your brothers keeper. It's hard to pull off in reality. To many creeps that I don't want to keep. I'm sure those creeps feel the same way about me. It's a dog eat dog world it seems. To bad.
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    30 Jan '09 18:25
    Originally posted by buckky
    In an ideal way I think you should try to be your brothers keeper. It's hard to pull off in reality. To many creeps that I don't want to keep. I'm sure those creeps feel the same way about me. It's a dog eat dog world it seems. To bad.
    I always thought "do unto others as you'd be done to" gave the sado-masochists a little too much leeway.
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    30 Jan '09 18:26
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    this sentence was not sincere in my opinion. he is not being objective, he is scared of the consequences of an action that he suspects would kinda piss God off. so he is trying to make excuses. therefore my guess is that he is not.


    nice topic btw. this one will probably be over soon though(unless people can think of other arguments).
    I was just drawing a parallel between Objectivism and Cain's objection. You're quite right, he does sound like he's up in front of a judge.
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    30 Jan '09 18:34
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    Was Cain the first Objectivist?
    Unless he predated Homer's Iliad, no. 🙂
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    30 Jan '09 18:37
    Originally posted by David C
    Unless he predated Homer's Iliad, no. 🙂
    Enough with the in-jokes! Explai-i-i-in!!!!
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    30 Jan '09 20:31
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    "Am I my brother's keeper?"

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    Are you inviting philosophical categorisation from a modern viewpoint, or exploring the nature of sibling rivalry from a primal viewpoint?
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    30 Jan '09 21:05
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    Enough with the in-jokes! Explai-i-i-in!!!!
    lol.

    I've recently muddled through Jaynes' "Bicameral Mind" opus. He suggests Iliad demonstrates the evolving analog "I" space...i.e. objectivity...several centuries ahead of the OT. vistesd could probably say more.
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    30 Jan '09 21:10
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    "Am I my brother's keeper?"

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    My vote is no.
    Since Rand (and I assume this is who you are referencing) held that the mind doesn't create reality--- and in this situation without question Cain's mind created the eventual reality of his brother's death--- but rather discovers realty, he couldn't be both creator and discoverer.

    He didn't discover his brother's death: he caused it. His question--- intended to obscure--- did nothing but reveal the truth. In essence, he asked God, "How should/could I know?" not "How should/could I find out?"
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    30 Jan '09 22:21
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    "Am I my brother's keeper?"

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    Apparently. Being your "brother's keeper" raises the dreaded specter of socialism for the Randbots.

    There is a chapter in 'Atlas Shrugged' called 'Their Brother's Keeper." But I suspect you knew that already.
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    30 Jan '09 22:27
    Is this not about spirituality then?
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