11 Jul 05
ever since Scribs went on sabbatical, i have missed his insightful weekly discussions. on tap this week: how long does god's anger last?
you can find arguments here:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/anger.html
if you argue that god doesn't hold grudges, how can you explain the eternal damnation of the 'wicked' non-believer?
12 Jul 05
Originally posted by Paul Diracverily you say unto me...
"God is Love." 😞
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth not in him should be thrown in the fires, raked across the coals, and generally tortured for all eternity.
it just doesn't have the same ring, does it?
sounds less like Love and more like a swift kick in the nuts.
personally, herein lies one of my biggest complaints against the megalomaniac depicted in the bible.
12 Jul 05
Originally posted by LemonJelloThe OT God is some mean mother, sort of like some primitive tribe's god or something, that some guys way back when adopted as their own and changed the name a bit, then some other guys decided to include him in a big book and now some people think they are supposed to worship him.
verily you say unto me...
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth not in him should be thrown in the fires, raked across the coals, and generally tortured for all eternity.
it just doesn't have the same ring, does it?
sounds less like Love and more like a swift kick in the nuts.
personally, herein lies one of my biggest complaints against the megalomaniac depicted in the bible.
Truth is stranger than fiction.
13 Jul 05
Originally posted by LemonJelloHell is not only a place where lost sinners go, it is a place where sin continues. People who end up there continue to hate and curse God. They continue to make Hell what it is.
ever since Scribs went on sabbatical, i have missed his insightful weekly discussions. on tap this week: how long does god's anger last?
you can find arguments here:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/anger.html
if you argue that god doesn't hold grudges, how can you explain the eternal damnation of the 'wicked' non-believer?
13 Jul 05
Originally posted by KneverKnightTrue. I would add that it is the NT God that punishes people with infinite suffering for finite transgressions.
The OT God is some mean mother, sort of like some primitive tribe's god or something, that some guys way back when adopted as their own and changed the name a bit, then some other guys decided to include him in a big book and now some people think they are supposed to worship him.
Truth is stranger than fiction.
13 Jul 05
Originally posted by TheBloopDo you have a Bible verse supporting this or is it a personal revelation? Are you saying that Hell is not a place of eternal suffering and torment filled with darkness and fire (and God by God's omnipresence). Or are you saying that even while we will suffer in darkness and Hell, we will still have free speech, intravenous drugs, and premarital sex.
Hell is not only a place where lost sinners go, it is a place where sin continues. People who end up there continue to hate and curse God. They continue to make Hell what it is.
You know, if Hell is only a place where sin continues without fire, darkness and torment, then it really doesn't sound so bad.
13 Jul 05
Originally posted by TheBlooplike others, i am also wondering what references back this claim (i am not saying there are none, just that i am wondering what they are).
Hell is not only a place where lost sinners go, it is a place where sin continues. People who end up there continue to hate and curse God. They continue to make Hell what it is.
let me ask this: is there any chance whatsoever that a lost sinner may be rescued from the torments of hell? if from the depths of hell he sincerely asks for god's forgiveness, will god listen? will god ever, for any reason, give him a second chance or ease his pains?