06 Jul 20
@fmf saidI think you may be correct...it is likely the reason that great philosophers such as Goethe were proponents of travel as a means to increase exposure (read, familiarity) as a way to promote tolerance.
The antidote to feelings of "hate" is familiarity and the rollback of ignorance, perhaps.
06 Jul 20
@fmf saidIndeed, ignorance purchases bigotry and violence and at common market prices.
In the currently highly polarized public domain and discourse in the U.S., the notion of "hatred" [and accusations attendant thereto] seem to be in very common currency.
Perhaps that is too obscure. It seems that common sense and education have been overlooked because they require reason and effort...not a price some are willing to pay.
06 Jul 20
@fmf saidContext matters, and many words have more than one meaning. My saying "I hate Brussels' Sprouts" does not deprive the word of its power for other uses such as, "I hate pedophiles and rapists".
What do "hate", "hatred" and "hateful" mean to you?
Have these words lost their meaning through overly casual and inaccurate use?
Are they too often simply used as hyperbole to spice up expressions of disagreement or disapproval or irritation?
Or do they have a particular and deliberate meaning when applied to people, their actions, or ideas?
When and why do you use the words "hate", "hatred" and "hateful"?
Personally, I do not hate any person. Even for evil actions, I try to confine hatred to the action and not the actor. Now, it is possible that, if someone grievously wronged me or someone close to me, I might hate them. I would have to work at letting that go, eventually. The emotion is too poisonous to the soul to leave in there.
06 Jul 20
@bigdoggproblem saidDo you think this attitude of yours is in any way a result of growing up in a culture imbued with religious values or do you think it is an unexceptional and understandable product of a more humanist outlook?
Personally, I do not hate any person. Even for evil actions, I try to confine hatred to the action and not the actor.
06 Jul 20
@fmf saidSome of both.
Do you think this attitude of yours is in any way a result of growing up in a culture imbued with religious values or do you think it is an unexceptional and understandable product of a more humanist outlook?
A common saying in my religious community was, "love the sinner, but hate the sin". While this statement is a bit too extreme on both sides, at least it gets the part about avoiding hating actual people right. Not all brands of Christianity avoid that part.
Outside of Christianity, I refined the view, with some help from Buddhist thought. I feel no obligation to love a serial killer, but it is helpful to remember not to descend into rants about how wicked the guy is, because that basically takes the suffering he has inflicted on both himself, and others, and keeps spreading it around. Far better to cut it off before it does any extra damage!
As far as "sin", I have never cared for that word, because it paints all moral wrongs with the same brush. (Some things that were considered to be "sins", I did not think were morally wrong at all. Example: man and woman sleep together 1 day before their wedding night.) Simply put, minor moral wrongs don't seem to deserve hatred, period.
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06 Jul 20
@caesar-salad said“Slime”.
How did you turn out to be such low-key slime?
Now there’s an interesting choice of adjective. There is a now banned poster who used to frequently call FMF “slime” especially after he had had a few drinks on a weekend.
Are you building up to a revelation or will you just become MSK?
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06 Jul 20
@caesar-salad saidYes more of the olde poster here too.
Who cares? You and divegeester have already shown your true colors. However, I don't understand why Ghost of a Duke would choose to involve himself in your sordid charade.
I sense another mass deletion coming up 😆
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06 Jul 20
@caesar-salad saidCopy/paste repetition...now who used to do that...?
Then I offer this warning: Don't bother playing with FMF and divegeester. There is something wrong with them and they are not interested in a sincere discussion.
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08 Jul 20
@divegeester saidYeah whatever, Pugsley.
Yes more of the olde poster here too.
I sense another mass deletion coming up 😆
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@caesar-salad removed their quoted postWhat about lynch mobbing, ever been involved in one of them, thought about them or measured other people’s morality by them?
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@divegeester saidWhat a question.
What about lynch mobbing, ever been involved in one of them, thought about them or measured other people’s morality by them?
Were you "resting in Christ" when you wrote that?