What does "fair" mean for you when talking about how you think society should organize itself?
Revelation 21 and 22 show where history is going. But you probably will find it a "joyless ideology".
Well for others' sake some elements of this world guaranteed to come:
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and the sea is no more. (21:1)
And I saw the holy city Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. (v.2)
Could someone hand FMF a handkerchief for his melancholy sniffles?
You know? - this "joyless ideology" he finds unbearably gloomy.
And I heard a loud voice out of the throne, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will tabernacle with them, and they will be His peoples, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. (v.3)
And He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death will be no more, nor will there be sorrow or crying or pain anymore; for the former things have passed away. (v.4)
Bear with the "joyless ideology" just a little more folks. This is the climax of human history and the culmination of all God's salvation work.
At last "the will of God" is fully accomplished unhindered for eternity.
And He who sits on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And He said, Write, for these words are faithful and true. (v.5)
And He said to me, They have come to pass. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give to him who thirsts from the spring of the water of life freely." (v.6)
What a reason to rejoice and exalt in Jesus Christ the Savior.
But wait a moment while the Atheist tells us his vision of the consummation of human history. Prepare yourself to something more cheery.
"And they shall see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads. (22:4)
and night will be no more; and they have no need of the light of a lamp and of the light of the sun, for the Lord God will shine upon them; and they shall reign forever and ever. " (22:5)
@caljust saidI like your clean slate analogy.
I suppose I am talking about theoretical clean slates - what we get to start out with, and not necessarily what society provides.
What if everyone were born with a "clean slate"?
So that their future did not depend upon
where they were born
to whom they were born
what they were born with (or without)
that would be a good start.
@sonship saidAs I have said on several occasions before, you are one of the most joyless ideologues I have ever come across.
Could someone hand FMF a handkerchief for his melancholy sniffles?
You know? - this "joyless ideology" he finds unbearably gloomy.
By contrast, I have met - and known and loved and lived with and worked with - countless Christians over the decades whose demeanour and acts under the influence of their Christian faith has been inspiring, admirable and joyful.
You are not one of them. I say this without melancholy, without sniffles and with no need for a handkerchief.
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As I have said on several occasions before, you are one of the most joyless ideologues I have ever come across.
By contrast, I have met - and known and loved and lived with and worked with - countless Christians over the decades whose demeanour and acts under the influence of their Christian faith has been inspiring, admirable and joyful.
You are not one of them. I say this without melancholy, without sniffles and with no need for a handkerchief.
And with absolutely nothing to cause more human hopeful joyful reason for celebration then what is promised in Revelation 21, 22. That's the point. And we have Christ's resurrection as a down payment and guarantee.
Prove me wrong and start writing about your happier Godless ideologue.
Looking forward to it in your next post.
@sonship saidYou are easily one of the most joyless Christians I have ever come across. Do you believe your self-appointed "teaching" attracts more than it repulses?
@FMF
[quote] As I have said on several occasions before, you are one of the most joyless ideologues I have ever come across.
By contrast, I have met - and known and loved and lived with and worked with - countless Christians over the decades whose demeanour and acts under the influence of their Christian faith has been inspiring, admirable and joyful.
You are not o ...[text shortened]... and start writing about your happier Godless ideologue.
Looking forward to it in your next post.
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You are easily one of the most joyless Christians I have ever come across. Do you believe your self-appointed "teaching" attracts more than it repulses?
Do your job. This point you delight to repeat again and again has been made.
Now, in your Atheism where is history going which offers you more joy ?
@sonship saidYou can't blame "Atheism" [with that capital A] for you being such a joyless person. Perhaps your demeanour is caused by the influence of what you believe is "Jesus flowing through" you or the influence of how you claim you are "becoming like Jesus". Maybe that personal process is the cause of your joylessness.
Now, in your Atheism where is history going ?
-Removed-I am talking about how our relationships with strangers - to whom we are bound in some geographical or political way - are governed. So I am not talking about small groups - like families or neighbourhoods - where people know each other. What do you think a "fair family" is, is a different question from What do you think a "fair society" is. I think.
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@FMF
It is noted that you only fell good to repeat personal assault on my psychological state as you see it, with dodging, evading, running from outlining your alternative vision for a joyous outcome for the human race.
Thanks, up to this point, for demonstrating your vacuousness to present anything more a reason for rejoicing then the conclusion of the Bible.
Now, one more time for the good feeling instead of substance -
Who is the most joyless poster on the Forum ??
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@sonship saidYour "psychological state" is in play because you have claimed that "Jesus is flowing through" you and that you are "becoming like Jesus" and then become very flustered when asked to cite any evidence to back your claims.
It is noted that you only fell good to repeat personal assault on my psychological state as you see it, with dodging, evading, running from outlining your alternative vision for a joyous outcome for the human race.
As for my take on the human condition, it can be distilled from my 50,000 or so posts on this forum on the subject, relatively few of which you have ever bothered to engage.