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    22 Jul '07 23:11
    what are you actually believing in? is it righteousness, justice, love, comfort, everlasting peace, eternal happiness when we die, etc..? if so, doesn't that mean the core of all of us believes in god..?
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    22 Jul '07 23:45
    Originally posted by eatmybishop
    what are you actually believing in? is it righteousness, justice, love, comfort, everlasting peace, eternal happiness when we die, etc..? if so, doesn't that mean the core of all of us believes in god..?
    My view is that we all share pretty similar experiences. What is different is what we label these.
    When I experience the wonder of nature and the sense of love for my fellow humans I call it an internal experience. Some others experience pretty much the same thing but label it differently.

    So for me, God is a label. I choose not to use this label but I have the same sort of experiences as others who do.
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    22 Jul '07 23:51
    Originally posted by eatmybishop
    what are you actually believing in? is it righteousness, justice, love, comfort, everlasting peace, eternal happiness when we die, etc..? if so, doesn't that mean the core of all of us believes in god..?
    Every religion in the world that has destroyed people is based on love. ~ Anton Szandor Lavey ~
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    22 Jul '07 23:53
    Originally posted by amannion
    My view is that we all share pretty similar experiences. What is different is what we label these.
    When I experience the wonder of nature and the sense of love for my fellow humans I call it an internal experience. Some others experience pretty much the same thing but label it differently.

    So for me, God is a label. I choose not to use this label but I have the same sort of experiences as others who do.
    God is a label. Great. I wish the evangelist christian would "live and let live." But they don't. They believe they have some injunction to "spread to gospel." rubbish...and then there are the muslims! Convert or be killed!

    Every religion in the world that has destroyed people is based on love. ~ Anton Szandor Lavey ~
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    22 Jul '07 23:56
    Originally posted by Stregone
    Every religion in the world that has destroyed people is based on love. ~ Anton Szandor Lavey ~
    Anton Lavey was the mouth piece of the liar. What a crock of crap!
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    22 Jul '07 23:58
    Originally posted by eatmybishop
    what are you actually believing in? is it righteousness, justice, love, comfort, everlasting peace, eternal happiness when we die, etc..? if so, doesn't that mean the core of all of us believes in god..?
    A being so far beyond our comprehension we can only know him by faith.
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    22 Jul '07 23:59
    Originally posted by josephw
    A being so far beyond our comprehension we can only know him by faith.
    A moment ago in another thread you claimed God was a rational explanation. Which is it - rational or faith? Or are you claiming it both ways?
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    23 Jul '07 00:09
    Originally posted by amannion
    A moment ago in another thread you claimed God was a rational explanation. Which is it - rational or faith? Or are you claiming it both ways?
    In the other thread I said that God is the only rational explanation for the existence of everything.
    In this thread the question asked is what am I believing in, and I stand by my answer. Even though it doesn't make sense to you.
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    23 Jul '07 00:25
    Originally posted by eatmybishop
    what are you actually believing in? is it righteousness, justice, love, comfort, everlasting peace, eternal happiness when we die, etc..? if so, doesn't that mean the core of all of us believes in god..?
    For a Christian believing in God means a number of things...and not necessarily in this order.....
    1. Believe that He is, who He says He is.

    Heb 11:6
    6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
    (NKJ)

    2. Realize that we are lost and full of sin.

    Rom 3:23
    23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
    (NKJ)

    3. Repent and confess Jesus as Lord.

    Acts 17:30
    30 "Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent,
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    Rom 10:9-10
    9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
    10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
    (NKJ)

    4. Seek to know His will and live your life worthy of Him.

    Col 1:9-10
    9 For this reason we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to ask that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
    10 that you may have a walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing Him, being fruitful in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God;
    (NKJ)

    These are the basic commands but not exhaustive, and I am sure others can add to this list....
    🙂
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    23 Jul '07 00:28
    Originally posted by josephw
    In the other thread I said that God is the only rational explanation for the existence of everything.
    In this thread the question asked is what am I believing in, and I stand by my answer. Even though it doesn't make sense to you.
    Perhaps you misunderstand me.
    Your belief makes perfect sense to me, since in a way I think we all believe pretty much the same thing. Where we differ is in how we choose to describe and name those beliefs.
    You've externalised yours to describe it as some sort of supernatural creator being. I've internalised mine to describe it as my inner strength and purpose.
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    23 Jul '07 00:28
    Originally posted by josephw
    In the other thread I said that God is the only rational explanation for the existence of everything.
    In this thread the question asked is what am I believing in, and I stand by my answer. Even though it doesn't make sense to you.
    That doesn't make sense to anyone though. God cannot be a rational explanation, if God is not rational.
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    23 Jul '07 00:30
    Originally posted by josephw
    Anton Lavey was the mouth piece of the liar. What a crock of crap!
    Are you trying to say that the Christian religion has never had people killed? What about the crusades?
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    23 Jul '07 00:43
    Originally posted by amannion
    Perhaps you misunderstand me.
    Your belief makes perfect sense to me, since in a way I think we all believe pretty much the same thing. Where we differ is in how we choose to describe and name those beliefs.
    You've externalised yours to describe it as some sort of supernatural creator being. I've internalised mine to describe it as my inner strength and purpose.
    I probably did misunderstand you. Going back and forth is confusing me. 🙄 Not really.

    I may not agree with your belief, but I respect your right to it.
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    23 Jul '07 00:45
    Originally posted by scottishinnz
    That doesn't make sense to anyone though. God cannot be a rational explanation, if God is not rational.
    Well, if you're going to put it that way, then nothing is rational.
    How do you know God isn't rational?
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    23 Jul '07 00:50
    Originally posted by josephw
    Well, if you're going to put it that way, then nothing is rational.
    How do you know God isn't rational?
    Tell the truth: wasn't the sermon competition more fun than this?
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