1. Standard memberRajk999
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    18 Nov '13 11:281 edit
    Are you a taker or a giver?

    2 Cor 9:7 .. for God loveth a cheerful giver.

    Proverbs 19:17 He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.

    Matt 25:40 .. Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
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    19 Nov '13 00:59
    Why would a non-existent being owe anybody anything?


    Ok I'll play and assume a god exists...

    Nothing.

    I am owed nothing by any god and owe those gods nothing.

    They have nothing to offer me, and I want nothing to do with them.
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    19 Nov '13 01:23
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Why would a non-existent being owe anybody anything?


    Ok I'll play and assume a god exists...

    Nothing.

    I am owed nothing by any god and owe those gods nothing.

    They have nothing to offer me, and I want nothing to do with them.
    Im not sure you have that much control over your life.
    When he is ready for you, then you will find out about him.
  4. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    19 Nov '13 03:23
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Im not sure you have that much control over your life.
    When he is ready for you, then you will find out about him.
    The issue of control is a tricky one.

    So, personal religions aside, I reckon you have to submit control to allign with your dharma (gods will). On this side this seems like a loss of control and a relinquishing of freedoms, but ,(apparently), when you come out the other side, you get to co-control your 'part of the universe' and experience freedom(s) that are beyond anyone's imagination.
  5. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    19 Nov '13 03:26
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Are you a taker or a giver?

    2 Cor 9:7 .. for God loveth a cheerful giver.

    Proverbs 19:17 He that hath pity upon the poor [b]lendeth unto the LORD
    ; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.

    Matt 25:40 .. Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
    [/b]
    but to answer your op God doesn't owe me jack. I'm happy with the 'package I've been born into '.... it strikes me as a weird question.

    Could you MAYBE expand on the op and highlight where you are heading with this?
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    19 Nov '13 03:53
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    but to answer your op God doesn't owe me jack. I'm happy with the 'package I've been born into '.... it strikes me as a weird question.

    Could you MAYBE expand on the op and highlight where you are heading with this?
    Did you read prov 19:17?
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    20 Nov '13 20:37
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Did you read prov 19:17?
    I'm not sure, I dont refer to my literature via numbers
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    If there were a creator-god surely he would have a responsibility to care
    for me and give me the best life possible, in the same way that a parent
    takes care of a child or an owner a pet.

    It would be very irresponsible to create sentient life and then give them
    a life of misery, tormenting them with famine, disease and disaster.

    So in answer to the OP Q .... EVERYTHING HE CAN POSSIBLY GIVE
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    21 Nov '13 13:52
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    If there were a creator-god surely he would have a responsibility to care
    for me and give me the best life possible, in the same way that a parent
    takes care of a child or an owner a pet.

    It would be very irresponsible to create sentient life and then give them
    a life of misery, tormenting them with famine, disease and disaster.

    So in answer to the OP Q .... EVERYTHING HE CAN POSSIBLY GIVE
    They could have started out by creating a better and safer world for us to live on...

    Like a Banksian Orbital

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_%28The_Culture%29

    Which could support a vastly greater number of people in much greater comfort and safety.


    Spherical (ish) planets are very matter inefficient, make space travel unreasonably hard,
    and have a tendency to suffer great climate swings and have earthquakes and volcanoes.

    Orbitals are far superior.
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