1. EDMONTON ALBERTA
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    20 Nov '06 23:44
    Be happy, be healthy, look out for your fellow man.

    Anything else is semantics
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    20 Nov '06 23:50
    Originally posted by ChessJester
    Be happy, be healthy, look out for your fellow man.

    Anything else is semantics
    Where's the spirituality here?

    How is anything else the study of meaning?
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    21 Nov '06 00:07
    Originally posted by ChessJester
    Be happy, be healthy, look out for your fellow man.

    Anything else is semantics
    and forget about religion?
  4. Melbourne, Australia
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    21 Nov '06 00:56
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    and forget about religion?
    Why not?
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    21 Nov '06 01:43
    Originally posted by amannion
    Why not?
    its still there whether you ignore it or not, that is if you believe in God(s).
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    21 Nov '06 02:02
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    its still there whether you ignore it or not, that is if you believe in God(s).
    I think the point of the thread was to state a belief that religion is not necessary. If you choose to believe in a god that's cool, and maybe it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside.
    But there are some of us to whom this doesn't happen (poor us!) and we get our warm fuzzies in other ways, sans gods ...
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    21 Nov '06 03:58
    Originally posted by amannion
    maybe it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside.
    it doesnt give me a warm fuzzy feeling inside, i just believe it to be true. i have my own reasons to believe in Christianity, "miracles" ect.
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    21 Nov '06 04:07
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    it doesnt give me a warm fuzzy feeling inside, i just believe it to be true. i have my own reasons to believe in Christianity, "miracles" ect.
    I'm hoping your "miracles ect." meant "miracles" etc.
    In other words, I'm hoping there's more to your belief than that it explains miracles - since the notion of "miracles" is pretty easy to explain in other ways that don't rely on a dive into supernatural mumbo-jumboism.
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    21 Nov '06 04:27
    Originally posted by amannion
    I'm hoping your "miracles ect." meant "miracles" etc.
    In other words, I'm hoping there's more to your belief than that it explains miracles - since the notion of "miracles" is pretty easy to explain in other ways that don't rely on a dive into supernatural mumbo-jumboism.
    well im sure you could explain them with "science" or w/e but its a matter of belief. when my grandma was dying in the hospital, she told my mom "can i go to that place again?" and my mom was like "what place?" and she said "the one with the pearls and the gold-(im not exactly sure how she described it) but we believe she was talking about heaven and maybe she died and just came back. i dont remember clearly, but i think she lived but got cancer again about a year or two later and passed away.
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    21 Nov '06 05:02
    Originally posted by ChessJester
    Be happy, be healthy, look out for your fellow man.

    Anything else is semantics
    I believe the phrase is, "Eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die."
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    21 Nov '06 05:23
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    well im sure you could explain them with "science" or w/e but its a matter of belief. when my grandma was dying in the hospital, she told my mom "can i go to that place again?" and my mom was like "what place?" and she said "the one with the pearls and the gold-(im not exactly sure how she described it) but we believe she was talking about heaven and m ...[text shortened]... ly, but i think she lived but got cancer again about a year or two later and passed away.
    I can certainly explain your grandmother's hallucinations, since it's quite common for people under extreme physical and mental duress (such as near death) to experience these.
    I'm not going to base my belief in an entire world view on the ramblings of one person - a loved one or not.
    That'd be like saying, "yeah I believe in aliens since my second cousin twice removed told me she was abducted once."
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    By definition, a 'miracle' is an event which cannot and never will be explained by science. Whether or not they exist is the point I think you are really discussing.

    Personally, I don't believe in them, I just believe that in some cases science is not yet advanced enough, or somebody is lying or mistaken.
    Of course I believe in coincidence.

    'You gotta' get through the day. Have as much fun as possible doing it without hurting anyone else, and try not to negatively affect your future.
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    21 Nov '06 11:44
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    its still there whether you ignore it or not, that is if you believe in God(s).
    And if you don't believe in God(s) then ...Poof... it disappears in a puff of smoke!
  14. EDMONTON ALBERTA
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    21 Nov '06 17:34
    My point was that if you assume that the matter of the existance of god is irrelevant to how we live then the only things that matter are resolving our inner conflicts (reaching inner peace with who we are), being healthy (living a long life) and treating others with respect (so that they may do the same to us). This way we will live long and happy lives... Worrying about the existance of god does not help us in achieving this.
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    21 Nov '06 17:471 edit
    no, your wrong, to say be happy is wrong, no one is happy all the time, who would want to be, for a start it would make us incomplete as we would never experience the opposite to this and more importantly, if we never experience sadness, how would we recognise happiness..? your other point is even more navie, we do not choose not to stay healthy, no one chooses to have cancer, no one chooses to get sick... i think if it works for you then use it but eventually those two pieces of advice will fall down because we cannot sustain the happiness and health every minute throughout our life, it is not about staying happy, but staying balanced, it is not about staying healthy, but staying at peace
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