Originally posted by NosracNo one here wants your self-important "saving". Go somewhere else and spout your "JESUS WAS A GIANT ROBOT WHO COULD LIFT MOUNTAINS PS. EVOLUTION IS A LIE" crap.
The higher purpose is this:
Jesus had disciples, and he told them to go out into the world
and spread the Word.
Christians are also disciples...we spread the Word.
The higher purpose is that I'm trying to save souls, through the glory
of God, in this forum.
No, it is not selfish.
It is a mission.
A friend and I started this mission several years ago. ...[text shortened]... as your own personal Savior and you
welcome Him into your heart you are on your way my friend!
Originally posted by NosracIn addition to saving souls, do you spend as much time working for charity as you do writing
The higher purpose is this:
Jesus had disciples, and he told them to go out into the world
and spread the Word.
Christians are also disciples...we spread the Word.
The higher purpose is that I'm trying to save souls, through the glory
of God, in this forum.
No, it is not selfish.
It is a mission.
A friend and I started this mission several years ago. ...[text shortened]... as your own personal Savior and you
welcome Him into your heart you are on your way my friend!
in this forum?
Nemesio
Originally posted by FreakyKBHAnd how would you know that? Is it in the Bible somewhere? It certainly isnt an obvious fact.
One cannot create something greater than oneself.
I maintain the opposite. I wish very much to be in the presence of the creator of the universe for all of my days. Not being in His presence would be, well, hell.
So you have purely selfish reasons and the only real 'meaning' or 'purpose' in your life is to 'save your soul'. How is that somehow a higher purpose than the life of an athiest which was claimed earlier in this thread to be without meaning or purpose?
Originally posted by NosracI enjoy drinking lots of beer until I throw up on people.
The higher purpose is this:
Jesus had disciples, and he told them to go out into the world
and spread the Word.
Christians are also disciples...we spread the Word.
The higher purpose is that I'm trying to save souls, through the glory
of God, in this forum.
No, it is not selfish.
It is a mission.
A friend and I started this mission several years ago. ...[text shortened]... as your own personal Savior and you
welcome Him into your heart you are on your way my friend!
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Originally posted by NemesioScientists have come to the conclusion that such a claim is the only right one, the only one which the evidence supports.
Scientists haven't opted to make matter eternal. Scientists have come to the
conclusion that such a claim is the only right one, the only one which the evidence supports.
That scientists may have been wrong in the past is immaterial; no scientist makes an infallibility
claim with respect to their discipline, merely that their conclusions st totally agnostic on what preceded the Big Bang (though many might
enjoy the speculation).
All things just the same, there is absolutely nothing to support or even suggest that our universe is one of a series of endless waves. The so-called scientists with pre-suppositions are merely changing the camera to accomodate their view. Only now, the camera is pointed toward pure speculation. But speculate they must, for to allow the gathered information to speak for itself at this point would be disasterous to their tightly-held model.
That science is constantly realigning its view is no wonder: the entire field is based upon man's observations. If our view hadn't changed since the dawn of recorded time, I'd think something was wrong. However, as we have seen in too many historical examples, when a group of people insists on toeing the company line in spite of evidence to the contrary in order to maintain control, only harm can come.
We see it in the RCC throughout the Dark Ages and we rightly cluck our tongues. We see it today in the agenda-burdened evolutionist and imagine there is still some doubt as to the truth.
That this universe has a beginning doesn't entail that previous universes didn't exist or that this universe isn't the result of the collapse and re-expansion of that previously existing universe.
Again, putting off today what cannot be paid tomorrow. There isn't a shred of evidence to even suggest such a position. Worse yet, it simply attributes to matter what God has said are attributes of His.
Thus the real quandry. If there be no personal, creating God--- as the anti-theist insists--- then there can be no such thing as reason. There certainly does not exist purpose, instead, there is 'just is.' In such a state of non-purpose, there is no sense of obligation, and the anti-theist is left in the same state as was asserted several pages back: no reason, no purpose, no hope to life.
We are merely plankton on the crest of yet another meaningless wave of eternal matter.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHDid you have a purpose when you wrote this post? Did you post have any meaning? Why are they both so dependant on the existence of a God?
Thus the real quandry. If there be no personal, creating God--- as the anti-theist insists--- then there can be no such thing as reason. There certainly does not exist purpose, instead, there is 'just is.' In such a state of non-purpose, there is no sense of obligation, and the anti-theist is left in the same state as was asserted several pages back: no reason, no purpose, no hope to life.
We are merely plankton on the crest of yet another meaningless wave of eternal matter.
Depends on your perspective. I am sure that to you waves are meaningless but to planton they are towering walls of terror!
And to whales, planton are a nice meal.
Originally posted by twhiteheadDid you have a purpose when you wrote this post? Did you post have any meaning? Why are they both so dependant on the existence of a God?
Did you have a purpose when you wrote this post? Did you post have any meaning? Why are they both so dependant on the existence of a God?
[b]We are merely plankton on the crest of yet another meaningless wave of eternal matter.
Depends on your perspective. I am sure that to you waves are meaningless but to planton they are towering walls of terror!
And to whales, planton are a nice meal.[/b]
Without God, purpose is not possible... the universe 'just is,' one in an endless line of similar just-ises (just-wases?). No purpose, no meaning, just belches of eternal matter brought on by cosmic hangovers. Nothing recorded, no legacy, no one watching it unfold. As Nemesio pointed out, the cosmos doesn't care.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHWhy is it so hard for you to understand this? Purpose and meaning do not require records, legacys, or someone watching. And none of these things create purpose or meaning. So what if the cosmos doesnt care. Why cant the universe 'just be'. That neither adds nor takes away from the meaning and purpose of this post or of my life.
Without God, purpose is not possible... the universe 'just is,' one in an endless line of similar just-ises (just-wases?). No purpose, no meaning, just belches of eternal matter brought on by cosmic hangovers. Nothing recorded, no legacy, no one watching it unfold. As Nemesio pointed out, the cosmos doesn't care.
All you are doing is making a claim that there is an ulitmate purpose and meaning to the universe and that no other meaning or purpose exists. You give no reason for making that claim other than the fact that you feel your life would be hopeless without it. You must have a very sad life if your only meaning is derived from waiting for death.
Originally posted by NosracDoes God place any requirements on you to actually be effective in saving these souls or is being "irritating for Christ" the only thing you need to worry about?
The higher purpose is this:
Jesus had disciples, and he told them to go out into the world
and spread the Word.
Christians are also disciples...we spread the Word.
The higher purpose is that I'm trying to save souls, through the glory
of God, in this forum.
No, it is not selfish.
It is a mission.
A friend and I started this mission several years ago. ...[text shortened]... as your own personal Savior and you
welcome Him into your heart you are on your way my friend!
Do you ever wonder how many hearts you harden against your God when you spout off like a fool over and over again like you have done in this thread?
Do you really think what you do is pleasing to God? Because if it is I want nothing to do with him.
TheSkipper
Originally posted by TheSkipperI know what you are saying, and I apologize to those who are irritated.
Does God place any requirements on you to actually be effective in saving these souls or is being "irritating for Christ" the only thing you need to worry about?
Do you ever wonder how many hearts you harden against your God when you spout off like a fool over and over again like you have done in this thread?
Do you really think what you do is pleasing to God? Because if it is I want nothing to do with him.
TheSkipper
However, there are those (among you) who have commented to me on how
great a job I am doing. So I must be have some impact on this thread...
otherwise you wouldn't read it at all. I pray that the Holy Spirit guides my words
to reach other people. I've had many conversations with people who do not even know
God.
A great example is this:
A friend of mine went to the check out at the grocery store.
He asked the clerk if he knew Jesus.
The clerk responded, 'Yes, I know Jesus.'
The man responded: 'Satan knows Jesus, Are you a Christian?'
Think on those words my friend.
Originally posted by twhiteheadWhy cant the universe 'just be'.
Why is it so hard for you to understand this? Purpose and meaning do not require records, legacys, or someone watching. And none of these things create purpose or meaning. So what if the cosmos doesnt care. Why cant the universe 'just be'. That neither adds nor takes away from the meaning and purpose of this post or of my life.
All you are doing is makin ...[text shortened]... hout it. You must have a very sad life if your only meaning is derived from waiting for death.
Actually, we are progressing from just that position. Clearly reason did not spring from chance. If chance cannot produce reason, then in the anti-theist worldview, reason does not exist. If no reason, then gone are the dependent aspects, such as purpose and meaning.
One could say they will create their own meaning, but that meaning itself is meaningless without a point of reference. One man's meat is truly another man's poison, and value cannot be determined: it's all the same, neither evil or good.