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When is vengeance legitimate?

When is vengeance legitimate?

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When is it morally sound and morally unsound?

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When it is justified.

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@fmf said
When is it morally sound and morally unsound?
For anyone serious about keeping the commandments the only correct answer is never. For the atheist i imagine if the perpetrator deserves it then go right ahead.

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I am waiting to see if you are contradicted by FMF as readily as he does me.

Why do I get the feeling that with you, your presentation of the Bible is more tolerable?

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@sonship said
I am waiting to see if you are contradicted by FMF as readily as he does me.

Why do I get the feeling that with you, your presentation of the Bible is more tolerable?
You post a lot of unbiblical nonsense that is easy to contradict.

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I cannot think of an instance where vengeance, as distinct from the application of just punishment, is a morally correct course of action.

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@avalanchethecat said
I cannot think of an instance where vengeance, as distinct from the application of just punishment, is a morally correct course of action.
Simple .. when there is no application of just punishment.

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@avalanchethecat said
I cannot think of an instance where vengeance, as distinct from the application of just punishment, is a morally correct course of action.
I'm not sure the two are distinct. A just punishment often contains an element of vengeance.

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@rajk999 said
Simple .. when there is no application of just punishment.
Just to clarify, I wasn't suggesting that vengeance is ok as a part of a 'just' punishment, I was merely clarifying the term. Vengeance should play no part in a just punishment.

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@ghost-of-a-duke said
I'm not sure the two are distinct. A just punishment often contains an element of vengeance.
I know the tendency exists, but it really shouldn't.

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@avalanchethecat said
Just to clarify, I wasn't suggesting that vengeance is ok as a part of a 'just' punishment, I was merely clarifying the term. Vengeance should play no part in a just punishment.
But doesn't a just punishment seek to avenge the wrong done to a victim?

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@avalanchethecat said
Just to clarify, I wasn't suggesting that vengeance is ok as a part of a 'just' punishment, I was merely clarifying the term. Vengeance should play no part in a just punishment.
I got you. Im saying that in the absence of just punishment vengeance is necessary. I would define a just punishment as something decided upon by some authority not connected with the matter, whereas vengeance is carried out by the offended party.

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@ghost-of-a-duke said
But doesn't a just punishment seek to avenge the wrong done to a victim?
That is certainly an argument. I personally don't think it's the case; a just punishment should be one which is agreed by statute or precedent to be the appropriate sanction for the transgression.

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@rajk999 said
I got you. Im saying that in the absence of just punishment vengeance is necessary. I would define a just punishment as something decided upon by some authority not connected with the matter, whereas vengeance is carried out by the offended party.
Ah I see. I'm not sure I feel that vengeance is a necessary response in the absence of authority. Some form of punitive response is probably justified and may well be prudent, of course. That seems to me to be more of a moral obligation than an exercise in revenge, though I accept you might find the distinction tenuous.

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@avalanchethecat said
That is certainly an argument. I personally don't think it's the case; a just punishment should be one which is agreed by statute or precedent to be the appropriate sanction for the transgression.
So a just punishment is simply state enforced vengeance.