@divegeester
In some translations Sheol; Gehenna; and Tartarus are all incorrectly translated as Hell. Hell is the common grave (Sheol)
“Tartarus” is the actual word used in Peter, a place in Greek mythology which denotes the prison of the gods. So the thought is of being restrained to a deep locale.
I can’t tell you at this point (because I’m on holiday so my ability to research is limited) which of the books it is, but I’m fairly certain that one of the removed books of the bible (possibly Enoch) suggests that the were held under the South Pole.
-Removed-Clearly if there is a literal Hell, then the Bible indicates that is contained within the earth somewhere down in the mantle or crust.
I’ve not heard about this in any research into the earth’s structure, but I’m sure the biblical literalists will help me out…?
There is no suggestion in the Bible that hell exists as a physical place as we understand it, because of this trying to find the location would be a waste of time.
@mchill saidThe idea of Hell being a place of torment with fire and brimstone etc originated from one if the mistranslations that I have already referenced.
There is no suggestion in the Bible that hell exists as a physical place as we understand it, because of this trying to find the location would be a waste of time.
Gehenna was actually a physical place in the valley of Hinnom outside of Jerusalem. It was a refuse area where dead animals would be dumped, and kept burning with sulphur. So in that sense Hell existed, but not as a place if eternal torture. Once you are dead you are dead.
Please take a look at Ecclesiastes 9:10 - I would paste but I’m useless on a tablet.
If you look at the New King James Version it refers to the grave. In both the American and Berean translations that same word is referenced as Sheol. In the Douay (Catholic) bible it is translated as Hell. This is were the problem originates in modern Christianity. Catholicism was (maybe is) the dominant variant of Christianity, so if it gets it wrong an error becomes a fact.
@divegeester
I don’t mean to set the cat among the pigeons (yes I do) but yes. How could a god of love possibly have a place of eternal torment for his creation.
The scripture “the wages of sin is death “ covers. Death is the ultimate penalty, not eternity having a red hot poker shoved up your jaxi forever more.
The concept of eternal torment is exactly the point I was making - if the biggest exponent of a particular brand of Christianity gets it wrong the mistake becomes a fact.
@medullah saidI find this perspective on "divine" justice interesting and it is, to my way of thinking, a big weakness ~ in terms of moral coherence ~ of the torturer God ideology. I have started a thread.
The scripture “the wages of sin is death “ covers. Death is the ultimate penalty, not eternity having a red hot poker shoved up your jaxi forever more.
@fmf said@medullah: I just reread my post and realized it could be taken the wrong way. The perspective that I think is morally incoherent/weak [and therefore interesting to me] is the doctrine of "eternity having a red hot poker shoved up your jaxi" and NOT your view which is that death is the end.
I find this perspective on "divine" justice interesting and it is, to my way of thinking, a big weakness ~ in terms of moral coherence ~ of the torturer God ideology. I have started a thread.
-Removed-Not by me you won't be. And should we disagree in the future one would hope that name calling doesn't enter into it.
I suspect if they could have done the Catholic church of the 1500s would have been telling everyone that newly printed bibiles was "disinformation".
The printing of the bible blew the lid on a lot of the trollop that the authoritarian religious powers were spouting which is why they didn't want anyone owning one, because once you could check up on them and discover what a load of liars they were it was only ever going to eat into their hold on people.
I stand by what i have said.
