1. Standard membersumydid
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    23 Nov '11 05:24
    They say it is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all.

    Just a quick view of that, if true. The pain of unrequited love--at least in my experience--is some of the worst, if not the worst emotional pain one could ever feel. So, to say it is better to have loved and felt some of the worst emotional pain possible, than to have never loved at all... that's placing a ton of value on the experience of loving someone.


    So now, with all this talk of God being evil and horrific. With the above as the backdrop, I will ask:

    Is it better to have been created and destroyed, than to have never been created at all?
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    23 Nov '11 05:28
    Originally posted by sumydid
    They say it is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all.

    Just a quick view of that, if true. The pain of unrequited love--at least in my experience--is some of the worst, if not the worst emotional pain one could ever feel. So, to say it is better to have loved and felt some of the worst emotional pain possible, than to have ...[text shortened]... sk:

    Is it better to have been created and destroyed, than to have never been created at all?
    the answer to that question will not answer the question of god's nature, being good or evil.
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    23 Nov '11 06:27
    Originally posted by VoidSpirit
    the answer to that question will not answer the question of god's nature, being good or evil.
    Jesus already answered that question.
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    23 Nov '11 08:121 edit
    Originally posted by VoidSpirit
    the answer to that question will not answer the question of god's nature, being good or evil.
    Perhaps so, but, I didn't ask that question. Do you have an answer to the question I asked?
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    23 Nov '11 08:29
    Originally posted by sumydid
    Perhaps so, but, I didn't ask that question. Do you have an answer to the question I asked?
    "The Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by
    whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if
    he had not been born.”

    (Matthew 26:24, Mark 14:21)
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    23 Nov '11 08:411 edit
    Better to have been created and destroyed than never to have been created at all...

    So if we have a life, we have a chance to find true love and may be loved in return...

    Similar to Alfred Tennyson's theme is what
    Shakespeare wrote...

    To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
    For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
    When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
    Must give us pause: there's the respect
    That makes calamity of so long life;
    For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
    The oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
    The pangs of despised love,.....
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    23 Nov '11 23:33
    Originally posted by sumydid
    They say it is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all.

    Just a quick view of that, if true. The pain of unrequited love--at least in my experience--is some of the worst, if not the worst emotional pain one could ever feel. So, to say it is better to have loved and felt some of the worst emotional pain possible, than to have ...[text shortened]... sk:

    Is it better to have been created and destroyed, than to have never been created at all?
    As the potential jurist said when asked if he had any predisposition regarding the guilt of the accused: we're here, ain't we?
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    23 Nov '11 23:49
    Originally posted by sumydid
    They say it is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all.

    Just a quick view of that, if true. The pain of unrequited love--at least in my experience--is some of the worst, if not the worst emotional pain one could ever feel. So, to say it is better to have loved and felt some of the worst emotional pain possible, than to have ...[text shortened]... sk:

    Is it better to have been created and destroyed, than to have never been created at all?
    The two are not entirely analogous.

    In one there is a you to experience both situations.

    In the other there is only you to experience one of the situations. In the other you never exist at all.

    So you are in effect asking is it better to live a mortal life or not exist at all.

    As better or worse experiences can only be had by someone who does exist, the question is almost meaningless.


    A better question, and one closer to your theology.

    Is it better to have a bland immortal life, with no ability to experience the range and diversity of experience of thought
    and emotion enabled by 'eating the forbidden fruit'.
    Or is it better to live a rich mortal life, with the full range of experiences we have available?


    Of course in reality we have no choice, we are mortal beings with a finite existence.
    Although it's possible at some point we may get to massively increase it's scope.
    We were evolved and born, not created.
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    24 Nov '11 00:07
    Originally posted by sumydid
    They say it is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all.

    Just a quick view of that, if true. The pain of unrequited love--at least in my experience--is some of the worst, if not the worst emotional pain one could ever feel. So, to say it is better to have loved and felt some of the worst emotional pain possible, than to have ...[text shortened]... sk:

    Is it better to have been created and destroyed, than to have never been created at all?
    Hey buddy. Well it depends on what you mean by "being destroyed"? Do you mean to have no more existance at all even consciously or to be in a burning hell as some believe?
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    24 Nov '11 00:15
    Originally posted by sumydid
    Perhaps so, but, I didn't ask that question. Do you have an answer to the question I asked?
    yes i do. there is no single answer. each individual will have to weigh that question based on their own experiences. for some it will be true, for others it will be false.
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    24 Nov '11 02:27
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    "The Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by
    whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if
    he had not been born.”

    (Matthew 26:24, Mark 14:21)
    Ok, so in at least Judas' case... it was better not to have been created. Does that apply to the common, everyday person who rejects the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

    Serious question and I don't think there are any wrong answers. (gee, I'd make a perfect progressive Elementary School teacher)
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    24 Nov '11 02:29
    Originally posted by VoidSpirit
    yes i do. there is no single answer. each individual will have to weigh that question based on their own experiences. for some it will be true, for others it will be false.
    but you have no opinion. Ok, thats acceptable. Might it be that you just don't to commit, and thus be "trapped" into defending your position? My inent wasn't that insidious. I might challenge one position or another but I'm obviouisly no authority on it so I couldn't do anything more than that.
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    24 Nov '11 02:31
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Hey buddy. Well it depends on what you mean by "being destroyed"? Do you mean to have no more existance at all even consciously or to be in a burning hell as some believe?
    Yes, I thought about this. We could take this in different contexts. a) physical life, b) our entire existence here on Earth and beyond, or c) it could spin off into a debate about whether or not suffering in hell is eternal or if the alleged damned are eventually extinguished.
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    24 Nov '11 03:051 edit
    Originally posted by sumydid
    They say it is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all.

    Just a quick view of that, if true. The pain of unrequited love--at least in my experience--is some of the worst, if not the worst emotional pain one could ever feel. So, to say it is better to have loved and felt some of the worst emotional pain possible, than to have sk:

    Is it better to have been created and destroyed, than to have never been created at all?
    (With reference to loving girlies, I do believe it is better to have loved and lost than not to have loved at all. Also some are "unlucky in love" )
    But that's not what you asked, I know 🙂

    In regards to have being "created and destroyed", I do believe it is better.
    The thing is though how would we know the alternative,ie If you never created at all, then how would you anything at all? 😕
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    24 Nov '11 03:20
    Originally posted by sumydid
    Ok, so in at least Judas' case... it was better not to have been created. Does that apply to the common, everyday person who rejects the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

    Serious question and I don't think there are any wrong answers. (gee, I'd make a perfect progressive Elementary School teacher)
    You may make a good school teacher. But that's not saying much if the elementary (or primary ,as is known here) school teachers are anything to go by. Teaching is one of those occupations that you should love.Or at least have a passion for. I hate school teachers that just look at their jobs as just a pay check. That is terrible and better screening should be done for teachers, as they spend a lot of time with our kids every day and play a huge part in their overall development.

    Maybe it was Good that Judas came along and did what he did (I admit I dont have a very good understanding of this subject, ie Judas).

    But as a quick analogy, I went to take my child to visit his mother where I knew her new d***head boyfriend would be there.
    After my kid and his mum were inside he proceeded to kick my car causing $350 worth of damage and then tried to fight me. I didn't strike him back. I only blocked his punches and kicks. After he realized he was no match he backed off (he threw about 5 or 6 punches and a couple of kicks).(The reason for his attack was because I rushed him when I first got there, just ran straight at him, only to stop half a meter short of him. He nearly shat his pants ,hehe)
    I've told this story to some of my friends who say that I shouldn't have taken my
    kid there as they knew this guy was a jerk but I say that if I didn't go then all this would not have come out.
    BTW,I dont take my kid to see his mum anymore as this guy has totally ruined her life.
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