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@fmf saidIt is par for the course in a discussion, especially in a discussion where you believe the ghastly stakes for not sharing your belief about what is or isn't "explicit and unequivocal" are so high.
And I am simply calling out your answers as being feeble for the reasons given.
It is par for the course in a discussion, especially in a discussion where you believe the ghastly stakes for not sharing your belief about what is or isn't "explicit and unequivocal" are so high.
Yes, they are high, and I've already shared my beliefs about what is or isn't "explicit and unequivocal" If they are insufficient for you, I'm sorry about that.
Now...if you'll excuse me, I'm on a quest to get to 1700, and predict more effort, edification, and occasional humiliation lies ahead - such is the fate of those blessed (or cursed) with ambition!
I'll let you have the last word if you like.
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@mchill saidSo, it turns out your assertion that your God figure not simply killing your Satan figure is a "good" thing is just a bit of supposed "moral reasoning" that's good enough for you, and under a tiny bit of scrutiny, it crumbles and you scuttle away. I get it.
Yes, they are high, and I've already shared my beliefs about what is or isn't "explicit and unequivocal" If they are insufficient for you, I'm sorry about that.
@mchill saidOne last try.
God does not kill Satan because God uses Satan as a tool to accomplish his own ends.
Presumably you believe that the "Satan" figure you think exists was behind the Nazi's attempt to exterminate the Jews. Was this an example of your God using "Satan as a tool to accomplish His own ends"?
If you can't or don't want to answer, let that silence be part of the discourse.
@fmf saidMaybe the Bible needs a "Satan" in the same way that all comic book heroes need their arch-nemesis.
Why doesn't the Abrahamic "God" just kill the Abrahamic "Satan"?
In moral/ideological terms, what precludes your God figure from ~ in an inherently "good" act ~ simply killing "Satan"?
Answers more sophisticated than "it is what it is" are welcome.
The narrative doesn't seem to work when there's only a hero.
That's why the serpent was allowed into the garden. Sin was necessary for the story.
@chaney3 saidThat humans' capacity to harm or deceive or coerce each other [i.e. engage in morally unsound acts] has to be [in the Abrahamic tradition] attributed to a supernatual being ["Satan"] is comic book- esque, I agree.
Maybe the Bible needs a "Satan" in the same way that all comic book heroes need their arch-nemesis.
The narrative doesn't seem to work when there's only a hero.
That's why the serpent was allowed into the garden. Sin was necessary for the story.
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@of-ants-and-imps said"Satan" isn't a being according to your beliefs?
He's not taken the form of a person yet as far as we're aware. maybe it would go against codified laws for a spiritual being established at time when the devil was on level and within them. Once he fell we don't know because it's not like the fall of our human beings.
Is it a metaphor, then?
@mike69 saidSo why doesn't your Abrahamic God figure just kill "Satan" off and then hold his [the God's] followers responsible for their "sin" directly rather than having them blame some sort of mythological being?
His essence takes form with a push effect here I would say. As far as a being here somewhere??, in the spiritual realm as in warfare that gives that push effect here, yes.
@fmf saidTo start thank you for the kind words about God while your supposedly just wanting too discuss things with Christian’s and debate things. Do you have another agenda in reality?
So why doesn't your Abrahamic God figure just kill "Satan" off and then hold his [the God's] followers responsible for their "sin" directly rather than having them blame some sort of mythological being?
Ok here it goes- How should I, you, or anyone for that matter know that we weren’t there for creation and the mechanics of.
Do you really think that’s a fair honest question or a silly baiting one. If you can accept a possible universe creator entity why the big problem with God?
@mike69 saidPerhaps this kind of posting is your "agenda"?
Ok here it goes- How should I, you, or anyone for that matter know that we weren’t there for creation and the mechanics of.
Do you really think that’s a fair honest question or a silly baiting one. If you can accept a possible universe creator entity why the big problem with God?