13 Jan 14
Originally posted by HandyAndyOriginally posted by HandyAndy
KingOnPoint,
Regarding chess and afterlife, God tells us in the Bible that it isn't over until the Fat Lady sings. Do you agree?
KingOnPoint,
Regarding chess and afterlife, God tells us in the Bible that it isn't over until the Fat Lady sings. Do you agree?
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13 Jan 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyYour answer is unclear. Do you understand the question?
Originally posted by HandyAndy
KingOnPoint,
Regarding chess and afterlife, God tells us in the Bible that it isn't over until the Fat Lady sings. Do you agree?
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13 Jan 14
Originally posted by HandyAndyOriginally posted by HandyAndy
Your answer is unclear. Do you understand the question?
KingOnPoint,
Regarding chess and afterlife, God tells us in the Bible that it isn't over until the Fat Lady sings. Do you agree?
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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
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Originally posted by HandyAndy
Your answer is unclear. Do you understand the question?
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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
The Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15 NASB)
"If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." Revelation 20:15*
"This is the saddest and most sobering passage in all of Scripture. Remember our Lord wept over death (John 11:35; Luke 19:41) - both physical death and especially the spiritual death (the second death) of all the unsaved, of all those who reject Him and His saving love offered at the cross. "As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways!" (Ezek. 33:11) Thus no man should be able to read or teach this passage without sorrow in his heart, if not tears in his eyes. The reason Jesus spoke about hell more than anyone else did is because He wanted no one to go there. "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9; also see John 3:16) Yet, we see here and throughout the Bible, both the reality of hell, eternal torment, and the justice of hell.
"Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them." The next scene John saw was the great white throne with the Lord Jesus Christ sitting upon it. This is based on John 5:22: "Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father." (Also see John 5:22-29 that speaks of the resurrection of the saved and the unrepentant and 2 Tim. 4:1.) At this point in this unfolding revelation, all those saved, Old and New Testament saints, Tribulation saints, and by implication, Millennial saints, have all received their resurrected, glorified bodies and thus belong to the new creation (2 Cor. 5:17) as God is about to destroy the old creation, the heavens and the earth (v.11).
"By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness." (See 2 Peter 3:7-13) "Since the coming of the Lord is in fact the end of the natural universe (2 Pet. 3:10-13), we read that there was found no place for them (v. 11), making way for a new heaven and a new earth to occupy the place left vacant by their dismissal" (21:1).Gregg, Steve: Revelation, Four Views : A Parallel Commentary. Nashville , Tenn. : T. Nelson Publishers, 1997. Satan and his demons have defiled the heavens (Eph. 6:12) and the earth is polluted and sin-soaked with the evil of fallen man. God's new creation will not just be a renovation and renewal as seen in the Millennium but an entirely new heaven and new earth. Science says that matter cannot be created or destroyed but God does both as seen here and in Genesis 1.
"And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life." What a scary and awe-filled scene like the one Daniel describes in his vision (Dan. 7: 9-10). It seems that all unsaved people from Cain to the last rebel we see in the Millennium are all together standing before the Lord Jesus ready to be judged based on their works (and books were opened) and sentenced by the Judge of all. Scripture says no one is righteous, no one keeps the law and no one is saved by works of righteousness (e.g., See Rom. 3-4) because even our best deeds are as filthy rags [menstrual rags] compared to the pure white perfect righteousness of God (Isa. 64:6). The righteousness that God requires for a person to be saved is the perfect righteousness a righteous God is required to require. (Matt. 5:48) Thus the only way to be saved is by grace (God's undeserved forgiveness and favor) through faith (in what God in Christ did for us on the cross when He took the punishment for all of our sins and credited us with His perfect righteousness), and not by works (Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Cor. 5:21)."
http://www.kenboa.org/text_resources/teaching_letters/lens_mens_fellowship/6640
* "If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." It grieves me to realize there's the possibility that some of my acquaintances and friends who contribute to this forum may be among them. -Bob
Note: HandyAndy, your comment: "Regarding chess and afterlife, God tells us in the Bible that it isn't over until the Fat Lady sings. Do you agree?" appears to reference an RHP Chess Player's Nickname. Fat Lady may sing before resigning an online correspondence chess game; the Omnipotence and Omniscience of God executes His Perfect Plan on His own.
14 Jan 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyForget a lake of fire. I think Hell must be compulsory reading of your posts.
Originally posted by HandyAndy
[b]KingOnPoint,
Regarding chess and afterlife, God tells us in the Bible that it isn't over until the Fat Lady sings. Do you agree?
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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
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[i]Originall ...[text shortened]... ndence chess game; the Omnipotence and Omniscience of God executes His Perfect Plan on His own.[/b]
14 Jan 14
Wolfgang,
GoogleFudge asked about who the media should search for or talk about. I believe that there is one God.
King James Version
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Ephesians 4:6
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One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
James 2:19
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Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Mark 12:32
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And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
14 Jan 14
GoogleFudge,
There is one God who offers eternal life in Christ Jesus.
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John 3: 16, 17
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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 10: 9-11
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I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
14 Jan 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyFat Lady is code for Second Coming. Obviously you haven't been paying attention.
Note: HandyAndy, your comment: "Regarding chess and afterlife, God tells us in the Bible that it isn't over until the Fat Lady sings. Do you agree?" appears to reference an RHP Chess Player's Nickname. Fat Lady may sing before resigning an online correspondence chess game; the Omnipotence and Omniscience of God executes His Perfect Plan on His own.
14 Jan 14
HandyAndy,
The 2nd coming is not the end of all things. Christ is to come a second time to rule for 1,000 years.
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Revelation 20: 7 - 9
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
14 Jan 14
Originally posted by HandyAndyOriginally posted by HandyAndy
St. Augustine of Hippo, circa 412 A.D.
St. Augustine of Hippo, circa 412 A.D.
"The Question: Where did the saying "It ain't over until the fat lady sings" come from?"
"The Answer: Often mistakenly attributed to N.Y. Yankees Hall of Famer Yogi Berra—his expression was "it ain't over till it's over"—this popular quote originated in the following form: The opera ain't over until the fat lady sings.
According to an article in the Washington Post on June 3, 1978, San Antonio sports writer/broadcaster Dan Cook first came up with that proverb about three years before, in response to Ralph Carpenter's statement that "The rodeo ain't over till the bull riders ride." According to Cecil Adams, Cook says he first used it in a column around 1976, but we haven't been able to confirm that.
What's certain is how the expression was popularized. Cook said it on television in 1978, when the San Antonio Spurs were behind in a series with the Washington Bullets. The Washington Bullets' manager, Dick Motta, repeated it, and was widely quoted by the media. By the time the Bullets came from behind to win the finals that year, the saying was on thousands of T-shirts, "fat ladies" were coming to games to cheer the team on, and the proverb's popularity was firmly cemented.
(Motta, who had a solid grasp of grammar, was originally quoted as saying "It's not over... It's like an opera. It doesn't end until the fat lady starts singing and that hasn't happened in this one yet." It immediately reverted to Cook's punchier version in retellings.)
Finally, it should be noted that a Southern proverb, "church ain't out until the fat lady sings," has been found in a 1976 publication. It's not certain which expression came first, and whether one was influenced by the other. -The Editors"
Read more: The Fat Lady Sings | Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/askeds/fat-lady-sings.html#ixzz2qLG7cfag
"St. Augustine of Hippo, circa 412 A.D" vs. "June 3, 1978".... near miss.
14 Jan 14
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Originally posted by Grampy Bobbyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippo_Tamus
St. Augustine of Hippo, circa 412 A.D.
"St. Augustine of Hippo, circa 412 A.D" vs. "June 3, 1978".... near miss.[/b]
According to his contemporary, Tamus of Hippo, Augustine "had a
passion for fat ladies." In his early years, he was heavily influenced by local
tubbies and the Neo-Platonic fat-girls of Plotinus. Most nights he would
say "It ain't over until the fat lady sings" (with an accent). A saying which
he personally attributed to Jesus.
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14 Jan 14
Originally posted by KingOnPointProve it.
GoogleFudge,
There is one God who offers eternal life in Christ Jesus.
King James Version
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John 3: 16, 17
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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the worl ...[text shortened]... it more abundantly.
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.