Spirituality
08 Jul 11
08 Jul 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieReconciliation implies this god did not know what was going to happen. Since your god is omniscient, it knows from the day it created the universe what happened to every atom, every neutron, every neutrino, every photon, every proton, every molecule, every form of life, every planet, every star, every galaxy, every galaxy cluster, it knows how all that started, how it all ends so it knows exactly who is going to your heaven, who is destined for hell.
reconciliation?
Reconcile means you put together the pieces after the fact. Your god is supposed to know ALL the pieces, where every player is going to go, even at the beginning of the universes, it knows where all the aliens are, which ones are going to its heaven, which ones are going to its hell.
So reconciliation would be the last thing on your omniscient god's mind. If indeed it has a mind.
Do you think your god has a mind?
Does it have thoughts?
If so, how long does a god thought take to start, ruminate, and finish said thought?
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08 Jul 11
Originally posted by avalanchethecatI don't know about lower case gods but the upper case one as I was taught about was said to be eternally complete (that is, perfect) and unchanging and so doesn't "get" anything out of any temporal human event. So if there is any getting, it's by the worshipers. The closest analogy I can think of is how I get something out of thinking about the good things my now-deceased parents did in their lives, and honoring them for it, not just mentally or in words, but in how much I can live up to their highest ideals, which gives me a positive attitude. I don't do it to "get" that, but it's an outcome.
By which I mean, what does god want with our worship? What does he get out of the deal?
08 Jul 11
Originally posted by avalanchethecatWhen you observe a beauty in any of its various forms, do you wish to share it with others, or are you disinclined to break off even a small piece of it and allow anyone else to enjoy it?
By which I mean, what does god want with our worship? What does he get out of the deal?
God wants us to worship Him because He is worthy of worship. God wants us to tell the truth about truth, wants us to be in constant contact with reality, because outside of truth--- outside of reality--- there is nothing but hell.
08 Jul 11
Originally posted by FreakyKBHCan someone who sends bears to maul 42 children be worthy of worship?
When you observe a beauty in any of its various forms, do you wish to share it with others, or are you disinclined to break off even a small piece of it and allow anyone else to enjoy it?
God wants us to worship Him because He is worthy of worship. God wants us to tell the truth about truth, wants us to be in constant contact with reality, because outside of truth--- outside of reality--- there is nothing but hell.
09 Jul 11
There are certain types of yogic masters that use worship or surrender to the Enlightened One in order to transform the devotee into what the Enlighened One is. Becoming one with the perfection that is always there by surrendering the ego. The Master does not need anything. He is the conduit for transformation.
09 Jul 11
Originally posted by avalanchethecatYou cannot cut a deal with God because God is not a day trader on the Street. Worship of God means doing your work as if you are doing it for God. Living your life as if you are living it for God. But there is no compulsion from God. You are free to do/think/live as you like. We are sparks rising from the Fire and we will go back into it when we have been extinguished. We are a part and parcel of God. God is not a tyrant sitting on a throne asking us to kowtow.
By which I mean, what does god want with our worship? What does he get out of the deal?
09 Jul 11
Originally posted by rvsakhadeoDepends, really, on what kind of "god" we're discussing. Quite a few deities in the pantheon of man's crazed imagination have some rather harsh penalties for not living life in a strictly prescribed fashion. There's hell, or oblivion, or an eternity of "Brady Bunch" re-runs...you name it.
You cannot cut a deal with God because God is not a day trader on the Street. Worship of God means doing your work as if you are doing it for God. Living your life as if you are living it for God. But there is no compulsion from God. You are free to do/think/live as you like. We are sparks rising from the Fire and we will go back into it when we have been ...[text shortened]... d. We are a part and parcel of God. God is not a tyrant sitting on a throne asking us to kowtow.
09 Jul 11
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Originally posted by SoothfastWhatever I have written above is as per 'Veda's and ' Upanishad 's. This is the Hindu spiritualism. The Hindu Spiritual thought frankly admits that God cannot be correctly described by us nor can God be conceived totally. God's presence is to be experienced. I therefore cannot comment on other connotations of God.
Depends, really, on what kind of "god" we're discussing. Quite a few deities in the pantheon of man's crazed imagination have some rather harsh penalties for not living life in a strictly prescribed fashion. There's hell, or oblivion, or an eternity of "Brady Bunch" re-runs...you name it.
09 Jul 11
Originally posted by FreakyKBHYour version of god can presumably see through my eyes and feel what I am feeling anyway, and I'm delighted if he gets pleasure from my emotional state at any time. I still don't see why he would want me to drop to my knees and 'praise' god or jesus or the holy spirit etc.
When you observe a beauty in any of its various forms, do you wish to share it with others, or are you disinclined to break off even a small piece of it and allow anyone else to enjoy it?
God wants us to worship Him because He is worthy of worship. God wants us to tell the truth about truth, wants us to be in constant contact with reality, because outside of truth--- outside of reality--- there is nothing but hell.
09 Jul 11
Originally posted by avalanchethecatYou seemed to have ignored JS357's post. He explained it admirably, and he's not even a believer. This isn't rocket science.
Your version of god can presumably see through my eyes and feel what I am feeling anyway, and I'm delighted if he gets pleasure from my emotional state at any time. I still don't see why he would want me to drop to my knees and 'praise' god or jesus or the holy spirit etc.