1. Dublin Ireland
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    21 Oct '13 16:26
    Why do people believe in something that has no hard evidence?

    Muslims believe in Allah and Mohammad.
    Christians believe in God and Jesus.

    Others believe in other things.


    But I would suggest that no one can prove beyond all reasonable doubt
    that any Deity actually exists.

    Yet people believe in them and if that wasn't bad enough they insist
    on others believing what they believe also.

    They also get very annoyed if others won't believe what they themselves
    believe in. Even though those who believe have really no hard factual
    evidence for what it is they believe in.


    Believers can say what they like but there is no way to prove
    that God or Allah or any other such Deity exists.


    Religion is not the answer. Religion causes more trouble and problems
    than it solves.
  2. Cape Town
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    21 Oct '13 17:03
    Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
    Why do people believe in something that has no hard evidence?
    Because most people do not rely very heavily on logic or the scientific method. There are many reasons why people 'believe' ranging from personal experience to social acceptability. Islam especially makes it difficult for anyone to renounce their faith, so even people who don't believe in a deity often act like they do.
    If everyone around you believes something you may believe it despite a lack of hard evidence.

    Have you ever been in love? Was it based on logic and hard evidence?
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    21 Oct '13 17:11
    Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
    Why do people believe in something that has no hard evidence?

    Muslims believe in Allah and Mohammad.
    Christians believe in God and Jesus.

    Others believe in other things.


    But I would suggest that no one can prove beyond all reasonable doubt
    that any Deity actually exists.

    Yet people believe in them and if that wasn't bad enough they in ...[text shortened]... s.


    Religion is not the answer. Religion causes more trouble and problems
    than it solves.
    Do you believe God exists?
  4. Standard memberSwissGambit
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    21 Oct '13 18:342 edits
    Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
    Why do people believe in something that has no hard evidence?

    Muslims believe in Allah and Mohammad.
    Christians believe in God and Jesus.

    Others believe in other things.


    But I would suggest that no one can prove beyond all reasonable doubt
    that any Deity actually exists.

    Yet people believe in them and if that wasn't bad enough they in ...[text shortened]... s.


    Religion is not the answer. Religion causes more trouble and problems
    than it solves.
    There is little hard evidence for aliens, yet, for all we know, there could be some living in other galaxies. We really don't know. I'm not saying a belief in aliens is warranted (or not); I'm saying I don't blame people for believing they exist.

    I think the same type of thinking operates in spiritual matters. People think their holy books are hard evidence enough, and the rest they take on faith.

    As for people getting upset that others don't share their faith, there are a number of reasons for that. Humans are gregarious and prefer assent in general; also, some believe that people outside the faith are damned and thus are sad or fearful for those who won't follow. That might seem like mere mind control to you and me, but it's what drives them.
  5. Donationrwingett
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    21 Oct '13 19:07
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    There is little hard evidence for aliens, yet, for all we know, there could be some living in other galaxies. We really don't know. I'm not saying a belief in aliens is warranted (or not); I'm saying I don't blame people for believing they exist.

    I think the same type of thinking operates in spiritual matters. People think their holy books are hard ev ...[text shortened]... o won't follow. That might seem like mere mind control to you and me, but it's what drives them.
    Believing that aliens exist and believing that it is possible for aliens to exist are two different things.
  6. SubscriberSuzianne
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    21 Oct '13 19:33
    Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
    Why do people believe in something that has no hard evidence?

    Muslims believe in Allah and Mohammad.
    Christians believe in God and Jesus.

    Others believe in other things.


    But I would suggest that no one can prove beyond all reasonable doubt
    that any Deity actually exists.

    Yet people believe in them and if that wasn't bad enough they in ...[text shortened]... s.


    Religion is not the answer. Religion causes more trouble and problems
    than it solves.
    On the other hand, I have no evidence that He does not exist, either.
  7. Dublin Ireland
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    21 Oct '13 20:051 edit
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Because most people do not rely very heavily on logic or the scientific method. There are many reasons why people 'believe' ranging from personal experience to social acceptability. Islam especially makes it difficult for anyone to renounce their faith, so even people who don't believe in a deity often act like they do.
    If everyone around you believes so ...[text shortened]... lack of hard evidence.

    Have you ever been in love? Was it based on logic and hard evidence?
    Being in love involves having a relationship with someone
    who is real and substantial and can play a big role in your life.
    They exist. You can see them and speak to them and inter
    act with them.

    If the love is real between the two parties then you can have
    a long and fruitful relationship together.


    How do you have a relationship with a so called Deity that no one
    can prove exists and probably never did exist?
  8. Dublin Ireland
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    21 Oct '13 20:10
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    Do you believe God exists?
    I don't know. That's why I asked the question at the top.
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    21 Oct '13 20:20
    Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
    Being in love involves having a relationship with someone
    who is real and substantial and can play a big role in your life.
    They exist. You can see them and speak to them and inter
    act with them.

    If the love is real between the two parties then you can have
    a long and fruitful relationship together.


    How do you have a relationship with a so called Deity that no one
    can prove exists and probably never did exist?
    Being in love involves having a relationship with someone
    who is real and substantial and can play a big role in your life.
    They exist. You can see them and speak to them and inter
    act with them.

    If the love is real between the two parties then you can have
    a long and fruitful relationship together.



    And yet, millions have testified and even died because of that relationship. Wouldn't you say it is worth investigating?
    Consider these verses...
    John 20:29
    "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
    NKJV

    Rom 10:16-17
    "Lord, who has believed our report?" 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
    NKJV

    Heb 11:1-2
    Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.
    NIV

    Heb 11:6
    But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
    NKJV


    Many will testify that these rewards are not speaking of future, but the here and now.
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    21 Oct '13 20:22
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    Being in love involves having a relationship with someone
    who is real and substantial and can play a big role in your life.
    They exist. You can see them and speak to them and inter
    act with them.

    If the love is real between the two parties then you can have
    a long and fruitful relationship together.



    And yet, millions have tes ...[text shortened]...


    Many will testify that these rewards are not speaking of future, but the here and now.[/b]
    That's just not good enough.

    Hearsay does not stand up in a court of law.
    Only facts will do.
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    21 Oct '13 20:24
    Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
    That's just not good enough.

    Hearsay does not stand up in a court of law.
    Only facts will do.
    I agree...but again, if your future and eternity hang in the balance, Wouldn't you say it is worth investigating?
  12. Dublin Ireland
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    21 Oct '13 20:29
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    I agree...but again, if your future and eternity hang in the balance, Wouldn't you say it is worth investigating?
    There is no evidence to suggest that you go anywhere after you die.
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    21 Oct '13 20:32
    Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
    Why do people believe in something that has no hard evidence?

    Muslims believe in Allah and Mohammad.
    Christians believe in God and Jesus.

    Others believe in other things.


    But I would suggest that no one can prove beyond all reasonable doubt
    that any Deity actually exists.

    Yet people believe in them and if that wasn't bad enough they in ...[text shortened]... s.


    Religion is not the answer. Religion causes more trouble and problems
    than it solves.
    There could be a need in many people for this and possibly a need in society as well. God could exist or not. It would be funny if Science does prove Gods existence and the religions of the world were wrong all along about him.
  14. Cape Town
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    21 Oct '13 20:44
    Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
    Being in love involves having a relationship with someone
    who is real and substantial and can play a big role in your life.
    They exist. You can see them and speak to them and inter
    act with them.
    Nevertheless, many of us behave irrationally when in love.
  15. Cape Town
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    21 Oct '13 20:48
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    I agree...but again, if your future and eternity hang in the balance, Wouldn't you say it is worth investigating?
    It certainly is worth investigating. But oddly enough whenever I bring up the topic on this forum, the theist show no interest whatsoever in investigating, instead they are only interested in asserting and affirming their beliefs. You will not find one single theist on this site publicly asking 'does God exist, lets, investigate it scientifically' you will not find one single theist asking 'is there life after death, lets discuss it or investigate it scientifically'.
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