Wisdom from scripture
12 Oct '13 18:221 edit@ jonah hinds, yawn, i posted how to make a dinosaur science lecture for you, its hosted by grover from sesame street
12 Oct '13 18:33Originally posted by divegeesterYou need me to prove that the apostles and the early churches used the Septuagint or that the 1611 KJV is an inspired Bible?
Can you provide some authentic references which help explain your position that (as I'm understanding you), extra biblical (current accepted editions and translations) text should be considered and spirit inspired?
12 Oct '13 18:501 editOriginally posted by Rajk999Oh dear.
You need me to prove that the apostles and the early churches used the Septuagint or that the 1611 KJV is an inspired Bible?
12 Oct '13 19:391 editOriginally posted by divegeesterIm not aware of any such thing. I cant believe that you are asking that.
Oh dear.
No...As you are well aware, I'm asking you to provide some level of validation for your exclamation that that you don't why the Wisdom of Sirach, which you seem to spiritually equate with traditional scripture, is not in the current bible.
13 Oct '13 03:43Originally posted by divegeesterDoes wisdom only proceed from the Bible?
Can you provide some authentic references which help explain your position that (as I'm understanding you), extra biblical (current accepted editions and translations) text should be considered and spirit inspired?
13 Oct '13 03:53Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe term "wrestling" is chosen for a reason. I think that there is nothing more exhaustive and physically demanding than to wrestle. It is a term that denotes a continuous never ending struggle, until a winner is determined. What is also interesting is that Jacob was then stricken lame at the end of the battle.
yes, but was not Israel blessed at the end of the struggle? In fact is it not true that he would not give up until he received a blessing?
13 Oct '13 19:10Originally posted by whodeysure, why not.
The term "wrestling" is chosen for a reason. I think that there is nothing more exhaustive and physically demanding than to wrestle. It is a term that denotes a continuous never ending struggle, until a winner is determined. What is also interesting is that Jacob was then stricken lame at the end of the battle.
This is my interpretation. We wrestle in ...[text shortened]... win, there is a price to be paid, much like Jesus referred to as "taking up your cross" implies.
14 Oct '13 15:26Originally posted by Rajk999Why don't you ask the JWs how long their organization used the KJV?
Im not aware of any such thing. I cant believe that you are asking that.
Let me explain. The Septuagint and the 1611 KJV both contained certain books [now excluded from the modern KJV] and these were inspired Bibles for over 1800 years. The KJV you currently use was only in existance for about 130 yrs or so.
So is it your contention that for 1800 yrs people were using the wrong Bible and only in the last 130 yrs the correct Bible appeared?
14 Oct '13 20:45Originally posted by Rajk999No, my contention is that only one of those the correct one.
Im not aware of any such thing. I cant believe that you are asking that.
Let me explain. The Septuagint and the 1611 KJV both contained certain books [now excluded from the modern KJV] and these were inspired Bibles for over 1800 years. The KJV you currently use was only in existance for about 130 yrs or so.
So is it your contention that for 1800 yrs people were using the wrong Bible and only in the last 130 yrs the correct Bible appeared?
14 Oct '13 21:15Originally posted by Rajk999The is only one version of gods word. If god had wanted some other writings included, they would still be in it wouldn't they.
Only one of
- Septuagint
- 1611 KJV
- KJV [Authorised Version]
is the correct one and that is the KJV? Therefore for around 1800 yrs people were using the incorrect one?
14 Oct '13 21:19Originally posted by divegeesterIf you say that then you have to also agree that prior to this last version coming out people read the wrong version. The Authrorised version came out in the late 1800s and it excluded a dozen or so books that was in the 1611 KJV.
The is only one version of gods word. If god had wanted some other writings included, they would still be in it wouldn't they.
14 Oct '13 21:41Originally posted by Rajk999I wouldn't say that; it's your claim that he did?
If you say that then you have to also agree that prior to this last version coming out people read the wrong version. The Authrorised version came out in the late 1800s and it excluded a dozen or so books that was in the 1611 KJV.
So God wanted people to read the additional books at one point and then changed his mind?
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