04 Nov 09
been reading the latest ive recieved. it states 6 myths about christianity.
1 is mary mother of god, then proceeds to say she is the mother of jesus, where is the myth. all roman catholics know this,
2 there is no hell, debateable at least.
3 once you die thats it, more athiest than christian view. They belive in the bible and promote it as thier belief, yet king saul before his death consulted a medium and raised samuel from his sleep[death] to fortel his death.
04 Nov 09
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Originally posted by stokeri didn't know you received the watchtower and awake magazines, how noble and virtuous! obviously they have made an impression 😉 would you like to take these points one at a time?
been reading the latest ive recieved. it states 6 myths about christianity.
1 is mary mother of god, then proceeds to say she is the mother of jesus, where is the myth. all roman catholics know this,
2 there is no hell, debateable at least.
3 once you die thats it, more athiest than christian view. They belive in the bible and promote it as thier belief, ...[text shortened]... before his death consulted a medium and raised samuel from his sleep[death] to fortel his death.
04 Nov 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieall together if you find it easyer,
i didn't know you received the watchtower and awake magazines, how noble and virtuous! obviously they have made an impression 😉 would you like to take these points one at a time?
On the other point i read many info from all christian faiths, i agree or disagree with points but these seemed very poor by thier own standards
04 Nov 09
Originally posted by stokerok, what about the first point, Mary is mother of God, what is your objection, for it is not so clearly stated in your wording.
all together if you find it easyer,
On the other point i read many info from all christian faiths, i agree or disagree with points but these seemed very poor by thier own standards
08 Nov 09
Originally posted by stokerhi, sorry Stoker, i did not mean to neglect this post i got caught up in the melee elsewhere and had huge job at work. It seems to me that what you are saying, is that not all profess that Mary is the mother of God. Is this the case?
my point was no one has said she is the mother of god, as put over in thier myth.
[it has been put that god the father god the son and god the holy spirit,] she was the mother of jesus. yet they indicate that the church puts forward she is the mother of god.
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08 Nov 09
Originally posted by stokerI think this title needs to be explained a little. Catholics and Orthodox Christians do not believe that Mary is Mother of God from all eternity. They do not believe that Mary somehow preceeded God. What they believe is that Christ is truly God and consequently, when Mary gave birth to Jesus, she gave birth to God. This is a logical progression for all Christians who accept the traditional belief in the incarnation.
my point was no one has said she is the mother of god, as put over in thier myth.
[it has been put that god the father god the son and god the holy spirit,] she was the mother of jesus. yet they indicate that the church puts forward she is the mother of god.
08 Nov 09
Originally posted by Conrau KHi Conrau, the article that Stoker refers to has as its basis, a quotation from the New Encyclopaedia Britannica, which traces the historical development of the, 'great mother goddess' and the 'divine virgin'. My own understanding was, that Mary was petitioned, for want of a better word, as an intercessor, an advocate if you like, to plead on behalf of the devotee, before God, who was viewed as a rather, if not vindictive God, certainly one exacting full justice and recompense. what are your thoughts on this?
I think this title needs to be explained a little. Catholics and Orthodox Christians do not believe that Mary is Mother of God from all eternity. They do not believe that Mary somehow preceeded God. What they believe is that Christ is truly God and consequently, when Mary gave birth to Jesus, she gave birth to God. This is a logical progression for all Christians who accept the traditional belief in the incarnation.
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08 Nov 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieNo doubt that is why some early Christians called Mary the 'Mother of God' -- in want of some mother goddess or to satisfy some vestigial paganism, as a kind of feminine replacement to the wrathful God. I don't deny that. Syncretism has always haunted Christianity. Howver, the title 'Mother of God' emerged out of a debate between Nestorius and St. Cyril. Nestorius believed that Mary should be called 'Christotokos' (Christ-bearer) because she only gave birth to the human Jesus. St. Cyril however argued that Jesus was both divine and human and consequently Mary had to be called 'Theotokos' (God-bearer). Ever since, the Western Church has called Mary 'Mother of God' as a translation for 'theotokos'.
Hi Conrau, the article that Stoker refers to has as its basis, a quotation from the New Encyclopaedia Britannica, which traces the historical development of the, 'great mother goddess' and the 'divine virgin'. My own understanding was, that Mary was petitioned, for want of a better word, as an intercessor, an advocate if you like, to plead on behalf ...[text shortened]... ve God, certainly one exacting full justice and recompense. what are your thoughts on this?
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Originally posted by Conrau Khi, if you do not mind me saying, it seems that this belief stems from acceptance of the divinity of Christ, essentially a trinitarian concept and thus some way had to be found to reconcile that God could be born from a human mother, with Mary thus taking on the title 'theotokos'. It is of interest to note that the article which our friend Stoker originally had some issue with mentions that scripturally Mary is termed, mother of the 'son of God', not, 'Mother of God', and a reference given to the Council of Ephesus 431.
I think this title needs to be explained a little. Catholics and Orthodox Christians do not believe that Mary is Mother of God from all eternity. They do not believe that Mary somehow preceeded God. What they believe is that Christ is truly God and consequently, when Mary gave birth to Jesus, she gave birth to God. This is a logical progression for all Christians who accept the traditional belief in the incarnation.
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08 Nov 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDefinitely. The title is not found in Scripture; it is grounded in the belief that the son of God is God.
hi, if you do not mind me saying, it seems that this belief stems from acceptance of the divinity of Christ, essentially a trinitarian concept and thus some way had to be found to reconcile that God could be born from a human mother, with Mary thus taking on the title 'theotokos'. It is of interest to note that the article which our friend Stoker ori ...[text shortened]... e 'son of God', not, 'Mother of God', and a reference given to the Council of Ephesus 431.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobiesorry i just noticed the reply. She is not the mother of god and never has been. She was chosen to bring the christ into earthly life. Now the church calls christ god the son, but he never gave himself such a title. Telling all god is his father and worshiping him. so he did not worship himself.
hi, sorry Stoker, i did not mean to neglect this post i got caught up in the melee elsewhere and had huge job at work. It seems to me that what you are saying, is that not all profess that Mary is the mother of God. Is this the case?
So the bit you ask not all profess M is mother of god is the case
P.S also other points are in my original post. they say once your dead your dead, i do not belive this, they await the judgement day, in some degree of existance.