Originally posted by @rajk999
Using you and your words as an example ... you claimed
- you are saved
- you can sin
- you continue to sin
- you cannot avoid sin
- you cannot not get into 'heaven' .. wherever that is
- your good works is looking after your mother
Is that the effect of the Holy Spirit indwelling in you?
As for what Paul said, he was crystal clear and it is no ...[text shortened]... tements.
There are dozens such statements.
Whether you like them or not they are the truth.
1) Yes, I am saved because I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour and have put my faith in His work on the cross to cleanse me of my sins.
How have your sins been cleansed? Can we agree a completely holy God is not going to allow unforgiven sin into His Kingdom? How have your previous sins been cleansed/forgiven?
2) Saying I can sin is not the same as saying I want to sin or think it’s Ok to sin. It also does not mean I frequently sin. It just means I recognize, as Paul did, that as long as I am in a body of flesh on earth, there will be a struggle between the flesh and the Spirit.
3) I occasionally do still sin but it’s infrequent and certainly nowhere near the level before I was saved. And we should agree that sin includes being angry at someone, looking at a woman with lust in one’s heart, coveting what someone else has, even if only for a moment, lying, etc. Sin does not just cover murder, adultery and other serious offenses. It covers way more ground than that and includes what many people would consider minor transgressions (if they considered them to be transgressions at all.)
4) One could theoretically avoid sin if one lived alone on a desert island or in a monastery. But in the real world, where interactions with non-Christians and generally dishonest and deceitful people can be a frequent occurrence, the temptation to get angry (to mention one circumstance and potential sin) is always there.
5) I base the belief that I cannot not get into heaven on God’s promises in the Holy Bible.
“God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?”
6) My “good works” involve more than being the sole caretaker for my elderly mother. I won’t go into what that involves because it was frankly a mistake to reveal something personal about myself but I do other good works (one of which is contributing money to Christian missions and charities, and I only mention this because I mentioned it previously.)
7) The effect of the Holy Spirit indwelling in me is a greater manifestation of the fruits of the Spirit in my life.
“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.“