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    It looks like to get heaven in your future, it doesn't matter what you do or how you behave, if you properly bend over.

    So I lost motivation.
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    20 Apr '18 11:04
    Originally posted by @apathist
    It looks like to get heaven in your future, it doesn't matter what you do or how you behave, if you properly bend over.

    So I lost motivation.
    To get to heaven you must be born again.

    To be born again you must believe that Jesus died for you sins, that His death was substitutionary, that He paid the price for your redemption even when you were already dead in sin, an enemy and were without strength.

    Getting to heaven is easy for us, but it wasn't for Jesus. Beaten beyond recognition. Spit upon. Scourged. Mocked. Nailed to a cross. All for our transgressions. Why? John 3:16
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    20 Apr '18 14:28
    Originally posted by @secondson
    To get to heaven you must be born again.

    To be born again you must believe that Jesus died for you sins, that His death was substitutionary, that He paid the price for your redemption even when you were already dead in sin, an enemy and were without strength.

    Getting to heaven is easy for us, but it wasn't for Jesus. Beaten beyond recognition. Spit upon. Scourged. Mocked. Nailed to a cross. All for our transgressions. Why? John 3:16
    Or if Hindus are correct, getting 'born again' is the last thing you want to do if your goal is Nirvana.
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    20 Apr '18 16:41
    Originally posted by @secondson
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    Getting to heaven is easy for us, but it wasn't for Jesus. Beaten beyond recognition. Spit upon. Scourged. Mocked. Nailed to a cross. All for our transgressions. Why? John 3:16
    How is that not god's fault?
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    20 Apr '18 16:54
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Or if Hindus are correct, getting 'born again' is the last thing you want to do if your goal is Nirvana.
    I think you're confusing regeneration with reincarnation.
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    20 Apr '18 16:55
    Originally posted by @apathist
    How is that not god's fault?
    Is there a flaw in God?

    Not logical.
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    20 Apr '18 17:35
    Originally posted by @apathist
    How is that not god's fault?
    God gave man free will. Don’t blame God for the way man abused (and continues to abuse) it.
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    20 Apr '18 17:50
    Originally posted by @secondson
    I think you're confusing regeneration with reincarnation.
    I guess you could look at it that way.

    However, Hindus seek to break the cycle of endless 'rebirths' in order to enter Nirvana. In that sense, they want to avoid being 'born again' into another Earthly incarnation. - Indeed, 'born again' is more apt, in my opinion. to the process of reincarnation than regeneration, as the former is a literal rebirth as opposed to a refresh.
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    20 Apr '18 19:49
    Originally posted by @romans1009
    God gave man free will. Don’t blame God for the way man abused (and continues to abuse) it.
    You have met humans. They are the worst, and the greatest. I think that is why we have two shoulders.
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    Originally posted by @apathist
    You have met humans. They are the worst, and the greatest. I think that is why we have two shoulders.
    I see you’re picking up where Karoly left off.
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    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    I guess you could look at it that way.

    However, Hindus seek to break the cycle of endless 'rebirths' in order to enter Nirvana. In that sense, they want to avoid being 'born again' into another Earthly incarnation. - Indeed, 'born again' is more apt, in my opinion. to the process of reincarnation than regeneration, as the former is a literal rebirth as opposed to a refresh.
    If you think being born of the Spirit (i.e. receiving the indwelling of God’s Holy Spirit) amounts to only a “refresh,” you have no idea what you’re talking about.
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    [i]Originally posted by @secondson[/
    Is there a flaw in God?

    Not logical.
    He said, hopefully..
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    20 Apr '18 20:16
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    I guess you could look at it that way.

    However, Hindus seek to break the cycle of endless 'rebirths' in order to enter Nirvana. In that sense, they want to avoid being 'born again' into another Earthly incarnation. - Indeed, 'born again' is more apt, in my opinion. to the process of reincarnation than regeneration, as the former is a literal rebirth as opposed to a refresh.
    Well, that's one way to look at it, but I would rather prefer to be born twice and die once than to die again and again and again, following a religious belief system that offers no guarantee of eternal life.

    Hindus seek, but God finds.
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    20 Apr '18 20:17
    Originally posted by @apathist
    He said, hopefully..
    Confidently.
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    20 Apr '18 20:19
    Originally posted by @romans1009
    If you think being born of the Spirit (i.e. receiving the indwelling of God’s Holy Spirit) amounts to only a “refresh,” you have no idea what you’re talking about.
    If you carry out a 'hard refresh' on your computer you return it to its original perfect state. How is that different from the indwelling God returning the believer to how man was in his original perfect state?


    'And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’ (Acts 22:16)
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